Black Beard Algae

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No- it is why one needs to consider using ozone in a GW tank. It basically can trash the nitrifying bacterial cycle. This is not OK if the ozone system stops for any reason. You will have cycling issues.

I prefer not to use chemicals to solve tank issues. There is no algae in septic systems because there is no light in them. Algae needs light. So I see no reason why Rid-X would do anything to algae.

You have to decide how you want to approach things in your tanks. You have to decide what sort of information you need to feel safe about what you do and what you add to your tanks or tanks.

Most issues revolving around plants and algae have to do with imbalances between the nutrient/light/co2 levels.
 

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That's what I was goin off, the imbalance. I'm planning another trip to the LFS for more stem plans to add. Have been mulling over the idea of using co2 but still on the fence. Thanks as always for the insight!!
 
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Forget about adding CO2 for now.

There is a learning curve for planted tanks. My advice is that you walk before you run. This means one masters the easier stuff before one tries the more complex. I ran a co2 added tank for almost a decade. I also ran low and medium light tanks. Today I do almost only low light and a bit of slightly higher. It is a lot less work to keep it all in balance.

The reason I moved away from the higher light stuff is that I am a fish keeper first and foremost. With the high tech planted tanks I was mostly keeping plants. I do live plants because it can make for a healthier tank and because they help the fish in some situations. None of my pleco breeding or grow tanks use live plants.
 

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So I should just add more fast growing plants to the 29 gal tank to take up the extra nutrients and the BBA should subside? My tank water is crystal clear other than the BBA on plants and some gravel. cant put an SAE in it cause of size growth I thought?
I'd really rather stay low tech if I can!
 
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There has to be a good balance between the nutirents, the light and the co2. Think of it like a stool with three legs. If one leg is longer or shorter than the others, the stool will wobble.

Next, the fish and other organics in a tank produce the nutrients. And easy way to understand what sort of nutrients one might need I would refer to the two Tropica ferts (I use both).

Premium Nutrition without nitrogen and phosphor for aquariums with many fish.

Specialised Nutrition
  • Contains nitrogen and phosphor for fast-growing and demanding plants
  • Also contains iron, magnesium and vital micro nutrients
  • Suitable for aquariums with many and fast-growing plants

As you can see, a tank with lots of fish has less need for the macro nutrient- Nitrigen, Phosphius and Potassium. The fish will provide most of the macros but not the trace and micro-nutrient needs.

Also the type and amount of plants matters. I nature CO2 is readily available and there is no pressurized CO2 being added to the water for the plants. But those plants which need the greatest nutrition and light also use CO2 faster than it can be replaced in aquarium water by the natural gas exchange rate. So for those who want to keep such plants, CO2 must be added.

Have a read here- it is short and easy to understand: https://tropica.com/en/guide/care/
 

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Rid-X? Like the stuff for septic systems?
That’s the stuff. Bba will continue to infest. It takes a few months, but Rod-x works. Not too many things do. If you feel like spending a lot of money, Nano Water Sterilizer works magic.
 
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That nano is an ozone generator. That was why I posted the research paper as to what it will actually do in a FW tank.

But consider this. Virtually every tank there is has some form of filtration. It has this because it works. Canisters work, hang-ons work, internals work, sponge/foam filters work. And we all use them. We can even use live plants to filter.

How many fw tank have you ever seen with an ozone generator? There is a reason. Ozone harms bacteria, including nitrifying ones especially the nitrite oxidizing ones. If ozone was the wonder it is made out to be by those who sell the ozone products, we would see lots of them in tanks all over the place.

I have done some reading on the use of ozone in aquaculture. It suggests the best use is to treat the new water that will go in with ozone before it is put into a tank with aquatic creatures. Then as little residual ozone entering the fish habitats is the goal. Similarly it is used to pre-treat masty discharge water before it is released into the environment.

Ozone and UV are not the same at all. I have a UV unit for spot use. It does not kill algae attached to things, it will only kill algal cells in the water that get exposed to the UV light. I used my UV to set up a fairly sterile tank for incoming wild fish. The diseases we tend to see in our tanks differ from what is in the wild. The fish I was getting would be at risk from things in the water to which most of our fish have developed an immunity. Fish newly arrived from the wild lack that immunity or any defensive abilities to fight off pathogens to which they are never exposed.

There is a lot of research into the use of ozone to treat water- both in aquariums as well as other applications that do not involve the things we keep in tanks. If you can get through it, have a read here it discusses how ozone is best used with fish (RAS = recirculating aquaculture systems. and aquarium is a small scale RAS) https://www.hatcheryinternational.com/ozone-for-freshwater-ras/
 
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Here is a great read re BBA. https://fishlab.com/black-beard-algae/ You will notice, there is no mention of ozone anywhere.

My point is simple. There is more to adding things to a tank than how they might work when they are done right or when the equipment works properly. People will often use two smaller filters or two smaller heaters on a tank as a fail-safe. If one of them breaks, it doesn't mean you have 0 working as a result.

Consider two tanks one with a decent load of live plants and the other with artificial plants. Both tanks are healthy and established. And then the lone filter in each tanks dies. The one with the plants will be in a lot better shape in 24 hours than the one without them. That is because the plants can also remove ammonia and create oxygen.

I almost always run two heaters in tanks. But in those tank where I am working with plecos which cost anywhere from $100 to over $500 each, I also use an external temperature controller. I want extra protection from boiling the fish from a heater malfunction, something that I have experienced twice before.

With ozone the resulting issues if it goes wrong can be fatal. Too much will be for sure. But if the system stops working one will not have the proper nitrifying bacteria in the tank to take over. The ozone will remove some ammonia and almost all nitrite. This means one's tank will be short of ammonia oxidizers and almost devoid of the nitrite ones.

I have watched newbies getting confused about doing a fishless cycle despite having very clear step by step directions. They simply misunderstand everything which leads to mistakes and crashed cycles or ones which take forever. But no fish are harmed by this. However, a mistake with ozone is very different. We can easily measure the amount of the nitrogen compounds in our water and detect problems before they get bad. How easy is it to measure ozone in the water? Got about $75- 80 (delivered)? here is a test for ozone: https://www.oxidationtech.com/products/ozone-monitors/dissolved-meters/k-7404.html You can get 30 more test ampules for about $1 each.

Unnlike cycling issues, once a tank is established, we normally do not need to monitor ammonia etc. regularly. We tend to check these things if we suspect something is wrong and we need to eliminate the obvious. But if running ozone into a tank you need to be more alert. There is less time to detect an issue if something goes wrong, and it is likely to be fatal a lot faster.

One last set of observations based on personal experience with BBA aside from fluctuating CO2 levels.
1. It is most likely to start on the slower growing plants.
2. It is most likely to start on plant leaves closest to the surface as they get the most light. This is especially common when one gets very tall anubias for example. The are slow growing and when they get tall, they get much more light.
3. Excess nutrients which promote BBA are likely the result of over feeding or over or under fertilizing and especially poor from tank maint.
4. BBA becomes more likely as one increases the light levels in a tank. I rarely get BBA in my lower light and easy plant tanks.
 
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