Blood Parrot hybrid misinformation

Re: Re: Blood Parrot hybrid misinformation

An TPH article couple years ago did a research and came to the conclusion that BP is likely a mutant Midas with deformity. The mutant genes are recessive and when two mutants mate, the paired up recessive genes become fatal and therefore their eggs are infertile. However, when one BP mate with another normal fish, even if the mate is not the same species, they produce fertile eggs. [/B][/QUOTE]


Except my friend you are ignoring the fact that female blood parrots produce eggs which can be fertilize with convict sperm (and probably sperm from other cichlids though convicts are the only ones I am sure of) while male blood parrots are incapable of fertilizing any fish eggs (poor buggers).

And again as I pointed out in a previous post if blood parrots were just mutations of a single species they could readily be inline bred with each other. They cannot be, they cannot be just mutations of midas, red devils nor anything else

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My LFS has in stock a breding pair of BPs - spawn was present in the tank as eggs when I saw it a few days ago. They certainly appeared fertile, eyespots visible. It is not the first pair they have had there.

All this supposition is good mental exercise and data transmission, but no one has yet shown any evidnce other than descriptive or anecdotal that the PB are really hybrids.
 
Originally posted by RTR
My LFS has in stock a breding pair of BPs - spawn was present in the tank as eggs when I saw it a few days ago. They certainly appeared fertile, eyespots visible. It is not the first pair they have had there.
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Does this LFS have a website or email address? I have heard people make this claim before but every time I try tracing it to the source the alleged person(s) with a breeding pair of BPs vanishes into the chasm of fable or it turns out the fry are actually 'jellybeans' (i.e. BPxConvict). If BPs could be bred BPxBP they wouldn't be so darn expensive. Their 'creation' requires a lab and artificial insemination of Severum eggs with Red Devil sperm. Only a small percentage of fry come from this compared to the average and few are culled due to the expense, thus there are a large percentage for sale with some undesirable characteristics. My LFS owner tells me he gets his BPs from a breeding lab in Texas.
 
Originally posted by wetmanNY
http://www.e-borneo.com/insideborneo/leisure0220.html
Now here's the real flavor of hybrid Flowerhorn cichlids. Breeder Paul Yii of Malaysia says they're a cross between a Rift Lake African cichlid and a Giant Gourami, Osphronemus goramy
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the Giant Gourami is called Kaloi over here, it's fierce. but it doesn't look any bit like the LH. i couldn't visit Paul Yii as he's like on another island next to mine despite the same country, if could i'd like to see the ones he claimed to be mix of Afr Cichlids and Kaloi.

doesn't make sense to have a cichlid mate with a anabatoid.

the LH looks more like the RD(in color) and Midas(in shape).

btw BP looks like a severum and a convict as well. i looked at my severum, i notice the shape of the BP resembles a severum but only with a deformed mouth. the head looks similar to a convict.
 
Originally posted by thom336
it is well known that the parrot cichlid is a hybrid, it is ultimately undoubtable. and if it isnt, then i want the proof...in the form of its scientific name. hybrids do not carry one, and almost every shop here labels it as 'parrot cichlid hybrid', there is masses of media around it condeming it because it is a hybrid, and Britains foremost and leading expert on cichlids Mary Bailey has it labeled as a hybrid. its origin is between two or more central american cichlids, of which they have not been stated, and rumours have aroused as to which they are.
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Thom, there is never a proof that BP is a hybrid. Simply because the shape of a BP resembles the shape of a severum doesn't make it the truth. There are other rumors as well that BP is a cross between Midas and Synspillum. Which one do you believe? Crooked back fish do occur randomly from inbreeding and ballon molly and fancy goldfish are common examples. Most of the time, the deformed fish were culled but the BP, balloon molly and fancy goldfish were perpetuated.

Severum are SA cichlid that live in soft acid water and Midas are CA that live in hard alkaline water. Not only the two fish require completely different water requirement, genetically, the two are remotely related and unlikely to cross breed successfully. The Midas and Syspillum cross is more plausible because they are closely related CA, but then the hybrid offsprings would not be infertile. Mutant fish, on the other hand, are often infertile or low in fertility because of the recessive genes they carry. But the mutant fish can often breed successfully with a normal fish because the recessive gene that paired with a normal gene is no longer fatal. This is why BP can breed with a normal Midas, convict and possbily other CA.

BP is an Asian invention and its origin is a well guard trade secret. It is unfortunate that the BP rumor or intentional lie has become very successful and widespread that even experts have accepted it without question.
 
Originally posted by Tiger15

Crooked back fish do occur randomly from inbreeding and ballon molly and fancy goldfish are common examples. Most of the time, the deformed fish were culled but the BP, balloon molly and fancy goldfish were perpetuated.
Mutant fish, on the other hand, are often infertile or low in fertility because of the recessive genes they carry. But the mutant fish can often breed successfully with a normal fish because the recessive gene that paired with a normal gene is no longer fatal. This is why BP can breed with a normal Midas, convict and possbily other CA.
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BPs can't be selectively inline bred and their undesirable traits culled out to produce a strain without them because they can't be bred together BPXBP. Someone who claims they can needs to submit me proof. This claim you are making about mutant fish being often infertile or low in fertility is utter poppycock. Even if there were a mutation for infertility it couldn't be selected for now could it? Recessive genes causing fatalities in inbreeds can certainly occur but then those fry are naturally culled. I guess dead fish would be infertile if that is what you are claiming :D

So basically all the evidence we do have about BPs -
1) inability of male BPs to fertilize eggs (at the very least in the vast majority of cases)
2) viability of BP eggs with sperm from other cichlids
demonstrates them to be hybrids.
And the evidence they are just mutants of some single cichlid line?
 
Sorry, should have specified - the shop is Rick's Fish and Pet Supply in Frederick MD. 301-694-9664. They have no web or email presence.

Since the first positive breeding reports of BPs on the web some time back, my guess has been that these are not true hybids, unless within their own near kin. I would guess the likely source is the same sort of mutation as the ballon molly not that long ago, or the short-bodied goldfish.

Amelanistic coloring and long finned varieties are non-survival traits for most fish in the wild, but they are not hard to sustain in captivity. Some color forms are non-survival even in captivity and need to be heterozygotes to make it, but they are still around from breeders.
 
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