blue green terrors

The Blue Green Terror I saw look exactly like the one in Haggisman's picture. They are selling for $15 to $19 in two stores in Philly for 2 inch fish already showing intense color. I think it is a new mutant strain just like blue Dampsey and is not naturally occuring.

AlkidoGuy, there is really no such thing as true Green Terror since GT is a common name. You may argue that there is no true Aquidens rivulatus or the common GT refers to an unknown Aquidens species. The two fish in your pictures belong to the same species and from the same GT batch, some will grow up with white edge, yellow edge or orange. The original white saum and orange saum belong to two different species that differ not only in color, pattern but also body and finage shape. I had a true white saum 15 years ago but now it has dissappeared in the trade because the orange saum is prettier and has practically replaced or absorbed the gene of the true white saum much the same way that common Red Devel has citrinellum genes contaminated with labiatus.
 
Only 15-20 or perhaps a few more of the fry have survived. I have them in a 20g with the parents, who were raising them but now seem to be not so interested. I've been thinking of moving the parents back to my 90g but its awefully crowded in there. Guess I'll have to decide what to do soon.
 
"AlkidoGuy, there is really no such thing as true Green Terror since GT is a common name. You may argue that there is no true Aquidens rivulatus or the common GT refers to an unknown Aquidens species. The two fish in your pictures belong to the same species and from the same GT batch, some will grow up with white edge, yellow edge or orange. The original white saum and orange saum belong to two different species that differ not only in color, pattern but also body and finage shape. I had a true white saum 15 years ago but now it has dissappeared in the trade because the orange saum is prettier and has practically replaced or absorbed the gene of the true white saum much the same way that common Red Devel has citrinellum genes contaminated with labiatus"

in that case then we can call it an oscar too, since oscar is just a common name :rolleyes: the Aquidens rivulatus is the original Green Terror, and the ones available today looked similar and just kept the common name,which technically is wrong. Dont get me wrong i call them green terrors myself, but they arent what they are. Even "The Man" jeff Rapps says they shouldnt be called this. http://208.51.130.220/~mojo/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Sticky;action=display;num=1043072157
 
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the Aquidens rivulatus is the original Green Terror, and the ones available today looked similar and just kept the common name,which technically is wrong. Dont get me wrong i call them green terrors myself, but they arent what they are. Even "The Man" jeff Rapps says they shouldnt be called this. http://208.51.130.220/~mojo/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Sticky;action=display;num=1043072157 [/B]
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There are several species of angel fish in Amazon, and many more species of marine angel fish. So which one is the true angel fish? You are reversing technical correctness of common name from scientific name. When GT were imported in the early 80's, there were two distinct species. So "technically", GT can refer to multple Aquidens species. The same confusion happens to Red Deve. Which species is the true Red Devel? None, because RD is a domesticated species with mixed genes from a couple wild species. It doesn't matter what Jeff Rapps says. I kept GT when they were first imported and at least 5 years before Jeff Rapps had his first. It's common sense that common name is non specific and that's why scientists came up with Latan names to unambiquously differentiat species. Here are pictures of two GT species that were imported at one time and exactly which one is true A. rivulatus is still under debate. Note the the two species differ not only in color, but also the finage shape and scale color pattern. The white saum was not as popular as the gold saum because it is less colorful, the finage is shorter and looks deformed, and soon lost in the trade.

"http://www.geocities.com/bluespeacock/wsaum.jpg"
"http://www.geocities.com/bluespeacock/gsaum.jpg"
 
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You Try using an Angel Fish and a Red Devil to back you up. Angel fish (FW) are called by different names the common scalare is just simple angel fish the altum type is called an Altum Angel fish they all have differant names to include salt water angel fish. Red Devil are classified in three groups a Red Devil, Midas and Striped Midas all differant names for 3 differant fish. Now a GT one with a white saum and one with the red saum are 2 differant species using the exact same name. But hey what do I know Ive only been in the hobby since I was 4yrs old so.
 
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You Try using an Angel Fish and a Red Devil to back you up. Angel fish (FW) are called by different names the common scalare is just simple angel fish the altum type is called an Altum Angel fish they all have differant names to include salt water angel fish. Red Devil are classified in three groups a Red Devil, Midas and Striped Midas all differant names for 3 differant fish. Now a GT one with a white saum and one with the red saum are 2 differant species using the exact same name. But hey what do I know Ive only been in the hobby since I was 4yrs old so.
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He's saying that common names are interchangeable and variable so there's no need to stress the "Gold" and "While Saum" unless you really care. And if you do, then fine, call it a gold saum. The common name is not that important. The scientific name needs to be changed. A Green Terror is what you want it to be.

And red devil is not used for the entire red devil complex. No one calls Midas cichlids red devils unless they dont know what their fish is. That's like calling any Pseudotropheus a Zebra cichlid.
 
Well argueing over whether a common name is correct is kind of odd because its just a nick name really. I think the common names of these different fish at this time is green terror for what you see all over stores now, and "true green terror" for the species that no one has anymore. It would be really hard to get people to call a fish that no one has green terror, and get them to call a fish that is common a mean green acura or something like that.
 
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