breeding feeders - suggestions?

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My main tank is a 30g and the star of the show is Milo the Eastern Painted turtle. She currently has 4 feeder guppies swimming around that have been there for about two months (all male---the females died in the first two days, just my luck). While Milo has not shown any interest in the feeders so far, I've read that that's the way it is with turtles: the feeders are there for ever and ever and then one day they are ALL gone. So I'd like to get a nice population of feeders going before Milo figures out that they're food.

So my first question is what kind of feeder is best? I'm looking for something small---Milo is about 2.5" shell diameter and still on hatchling pellets because she won't eat anything bigger. I also want something hardy, prolific, and at least moderately algae-eating. Active and colorful are also nice. Guppies would seem the obvious choice, but whatever I choose I'm going to be breeding them for many many years and I'm concerned about the genetic weakness of feeder guppies. Fancies are not a good option because turtles tend to maim long fins/tails. I've been thinking about Endlers. Is that a completely stupid idea? I don't see anyone else using them as feeders, but I can't see a reason they wouldn't work.

Second, what kind of setup would be best? I have a 5g and a 10g tank available. I'll use the 10g as quarantine, but it could serve some other purpose after that. I intend to load my main tank with java fern, java moss, and other floaters, so fry cover would be available. I'll also need to keep the population under control somehow until Milo starts eating them, though part of the reason I was leaning toward Endlers was that I might have an easier time giving away the excess.

For all the wonderful people who offered advice in my other threads, rest assured that I will get nitrite/nitrate tests and make sure the QT tank is fully cycled before I get more fish of any kind.
 
No suggestions?

My basic plan was to cycle the 10g sans fish, get plants for both the 30g and the 10g, get feeders, and quarantine in the 10g for 2 weeks. After that, what should I do? Should I separate males and females to control the population or should I just put them all in the main tank and do a lot of re-homing when the tank gets crowded?
 
I wouldn't recommend feeding Endlers to the turtle, as Endlers are pretty expensive at LFS. They are a very nice colorful fish, and should be more highly regarded as pets than they are food.

The common guppy(feeders) seem to be pretty hardy to me. I have a colony that is starting to take off, and will soon need to seperate female from males soon. I would find some common guppies that are free of disease and start from there. My commons eat algae and are fairly colorful for commons.

I would keep the guppies in the 10G planted until you reach numbers in the 50's. The more you house, the more often you need to do water changes, so it's up to you how many you want to keep.
 
shawnu - Thank you very much for the advice. I'll keep the 10g going for the feeders. I know that Endlers are more expensive, but they're still not that bad (there are several sellers on Aquabid) and since I'm going to be breeding them for MANY years (painteds generally live 15-25 years and can live up to 40 in captivity) the initial cost is not a big part of the overall cost. Is there any other reason not to use Endlers (aside from getting death threats from Endler enthusiasts :joke:)?

Be assured that whatever I get, they'll have the best care I can give them (which my last batch of feeders would tell you is not great, but I am trying and learning) because I don't think any creature should suffer needlessly, even feeders.
 
Perhaps a better suggestion if you do decide to go the Endler route is to breed them for brilliant colors, and the "culls" could go as feeders. I'm sure you can make a pretty penny for brilliant colored males. I know I would be interested in bringing in more colorful strains.
 
shawnu - That's a good idea. How would you recommend I set up the tanks? Feeders go in the main tank, obviously, but what else? 10g as breeder tank, 5g as fry grow-out tank? Or can I skip the fry tank with Endlers? I've heard they are less canabalistic than guppies. If I can avoid having all three tanks going, that would be nice, but I can do it if necessary. My partner is being very tolerant of my new hobby, but he is not a fish/turtle enthusiast AT ALL and I don't want to impose on him more than I need to. We have a small place, so a fish room or even a fish corner is not possible. Wherever I put them, they're going to be out in the middle of things.
 
jm1212 - I'm afraid platys are far to large for my turtle. She's almost a year old and still on hatchling pellets because she won't eat anything larger. I've tried her on juvie pellets, but no dice. She's still a ways from being able to eat guppies or Endlers. She may never eat something as large as a platy. Thanks, though.
 
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