calcium test kits

Thanks,
I was having trouble finding that particular information. this also leads me to believe that I have been far too cautios with the CaCl.
Dave
 
Timmain42 said:
Good luck on that Hagen Master Kit. The last Phosphate test I got with the HMK was wonky as all get-out.

GREAT! The reason I was going with Hagen was that I bought just the PO4 kit and it seemed to be right on!

Dave, your GH is 12-14 and you suspect Ca? I'm glad I'm not the only one!
 
Dave, your GH is 12-14 and you suspect Ca? I'm glad I'm not the only one!

I still have much to learn, but just can't figure anything else when the snails can't grow shell. Everything leans towards calcium. I dose MG pretty heavily, so I'm going to up the Ca also and see if things improve. The use of crushed coral and dolemite are surely helping some, but are impossible to quantify easily, and evidently aren't enough to do the job.

The one up side to this is that after living here 7 years, there isn't a single water stain on any bathroom or kitchen fixture in the house.
Dave
 
Received my test kit (Hagen Master Kit) and checked my source water against it. I tested 10 GH (179ppm) and 40ppm Ca. My source water is Lake Ontario and is 103-188ppm GH http://www.ocwa.org/ocw20308.html and 35ppm(avg) Ca http://www.ocwa.org/ocw20314.html according to the local authority. The Ca test uses titration to a colored endpoint and each drop equals 20ppm. Not the most accurate but then again, I didn't buy the kit for Ca.
HTH

Bill
 
Tanks Bill,
I got my kit, and have been staring at it for two days, but haven't run a test yet. the AP kit has no instructions or indication that it would work for freshwater, but it may be that AP just doesn't know I want to test freshwater. I'll see how it works, and post back.
dave
 
It should work fine. Although we don't test for Ca in our lab, when we prepare standards for NO3 and PO4 analysis we don't notice any significant salt effect.

Due to the waters of hydration of the dissolved salts increasing the salinity of a solution to be analysed is expected to produce an apparent increase in concentration. So the other way around, assuming that they made their standards with salt water, the kit would tend to produce an underestimate.
 
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happychem said:
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Due to the waters of hydration of the dissolved salts increasing the salinity of a solution to be analysed is expected to produce an apparent increase in concentration. So the other way around, assuming that they made their standards with salt water, the kit would tend to produce an underestimate.

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So...if I were to start where I finished and finished back where I started, would that mean I'm at the beginning or end? :confused:

Sorry happychem...you lost me.
 
Sorry, I was kind of working it out in my head as I typed. Plus I was a little tired from doing the same thing, hundreds of times today, so my brain was mush. Better now.

When you dissolve a salt water molecules align themselves around the ions to stabilize them, this is called the waters of hydration. The result is that to dissolved compounds, there appears to be less solute, or, in other words, they appear more concentrated in salty water than in fresh. You can try it on a flat beer or pop, when no more bubbles come out, throw some salt in and it will start foaming again. This is because less water is available to dissolve the CO2, so it's once again supersaturated.

So if the makers of the kit prepared their standards (samples with known concentration) in salty water, which presumably they would for a marine test kit, then using it on a fresh water system would have just the opposite effect. If you could somehow magically pull all the salt out of the sample, the waters of hydration would once again be available to dissolve other stuff making the Ca seem less concentrated than it really is.

It's a tricky concept, which is why I was so confusing about it. I think that my conclusion may even have been wrong, let's find out.

You prepare a standard having 2ppm of Ca in salt water and measure the concentration. Now you remove all the salt, and it appears that there's more water present, so the concentration now reads 1ppm. The thing is, there's the same amount of Ca in the solution, just that one has more water available to the Ca, so it's like you tested your water, then took another sample from your tank, added a little RO water and then tested again.

Basically, all I'm saying is that based on this, take the reading as a concervative measure of the Ca concentration in your tank.

There might be some difference in the unit of ppm too, but I'm just thought about that, I'll post later if it's relevant. It has to do with the density of fresh vs. salty water.
 
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