Can these two Mate?

TH3RD_LEG

TH3RD_LEG

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Can Red Jewels Mate with Rusty Cichlids?

I have one Rusty - I think it is a male and I seen it trying to do some mating style behavior with my Red Jewels so I wonder if they can breed with one another?

Thanks - you experts you:)

Luis:)
 
i believe so, its a matter of fertility thats the issue in some crosses like when the jellybean parrots were first introduced alot of females laid eggs but where never fertilized by the males even when they tried, but now a few generations down the line they are working it out, the thing is we wont know for sure when these things happen but i do believe yes they can mate and at times will even fertilize eggs, that would be a weird fish aye..
 
pittbull said:
i believe so, its a matter of fertility thats the issue in some crosses like when the jellybean parrots were first introduced alot of females laid eggs but where never fertilized by the males even when they tried, but now a few generations down the line they are working it out, the thing is we wont know for sure when these things happen but i do believe yes they can mate and at times will even fertilize eggs, that would be a weird fish aye..
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Naw I think babies would be cute - but I just do not know enough about the two species to figure out if they can mate:)

Luis
 
From a simple genetic standpoint, probably not. IIRC, Malawi mbuna have significantly more chromosomes than the genus Hemichromis. Any young would probably be sterile and/or deformed in the unlikelihood the eggs were viable and hatched. In addition, the breeding strategies are so different (jewels being a substrate spawner and Iodotropheus being a mouthbrooder), the odds of the two species hybridizing are reduced to nearly nothing. One species wouldn't recognize the spawning signs of the other. I suspect hybridization would have to be induced through artificial husbandry techniques.

WYite
 
for argument sake could anyone here state 100% that these two fish could not mate?

just like one wouldn't believe a donkey and a zebra would not mate but it has, i know most likely it would never take place with these two fish but i do not rule it totally out either, most wild fish and domesticated fish go by their genetics and what they need to do as a mouth brooder or substrate spawner as an instinct, but what about a fish that has been bred for several decades and a batch of eggs were stripped from the mothers mouth and one egg hatches and is raised by its self in a tank and grew up to about 3 inches and was introduced to another fish of different species and is of opposite sex how would that fish know what it was, i know most people will say instinct and most certainly possible but what if..
 
Wyomingite said:
From a simple genetic standpoint, probably not. IIRC, Malawi mbuna have significantly more chromosomes than the genus Hemichromis. Any young would probably be sterile and/or deformed in the unlikelihood the eggs were viable and hatched. In addition, the breeding strategies are so different (jewels being a substrate spawner and Iodotropheus being a mouthbrooder), the odds of the two species hybridizing are reduced to nearly nothing. One species wouldn't recognize the spawning signs of the other. I suspect hybridization would have to be induced through artificial husbandry techniques.

WYite
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THANKS THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW - I KNEW THEY HAD DIFFERING STYLES OF BREEDING BUT WAS UNSURE:)

GOOD I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BABIES WITH DEFORMITIES AS I DOUBT THEY WILL DO ANYTHING THOUGH THEY WERE LOOKING LIKE THEY MIGHT POSSIBLY TRY TO MATE:)

LUIS
 
No problem TH3RD_LEG.

Hey pitbull. A zebra and horse are quite a bit more closely related than a jewel and a rusty. Heck, I remember sitting in genetics and the prof discussing a journal article on a fertile mule, the first recorded, and thinking that was amazing, so I'll concede anything is possible. A natural cross between a rusty and a jewel would be more along the lines of a caribou and a whitetail rather than a horse and a zebra. Throw in different reproduction strategies and I'm willing to bet that the chance of these two mating is zero. It might be amusing to watch a female jewel trying to eat the rusty's eggspots though, LOL.

BTW, I've been admiring your Tanganyikans. Nice collection. Never done much with Tangs, always focused on Malawis. Maybe I could hit ya up for advice when I get a Tang tank going?

WYite
 
no worries wyomingite i was just stirring up the pot so to say i was bored, i am silly like that aye, cool thanks for the props on my tangs and of course i would help out my friend i am just so smitten with africans its my addiction, take care my friend..
 
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