Chemi-pure ? Nitra-Zorb ?
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nah..I wouldn't waste my money on them..you can achieve the same results just by doing a water change.
Depends on what you want to accomplish. While I don't use those 2 products, I have used Purigen with very good results
I would like to keep nitrates levels down.....and reduce toxins.....
Chemi-pure makes some very strong statements about what
it can do :
LONGER LIFE - Fish often live three to four times longer than in any other closed system, fresh or marine.
NECESSARY ORGANISMS - Allowed growth with no danger of pollution.
REMOVES OFFENSIVE ODORS
REAL SEA WATER OR ARTIFICIAL
REMOVES TOXIC ELEMENTS - Including Copper & Phenol
IMMEDIATE ACCLIMATION - with ravenous appetite.
QUICKER RESPONSES - Neurological reactions like fishes in natural habitat.
FRESHWATER FISHES - of all species thrive
ESPECIALLY GOOD FOR AFRICAN CICHLIDS & DISCUS
NO WATER CHANGE NECESSARY - for at least 5 years (length of test only) PERHAPS NEVER!
CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER - Always sparkling blue-white water
NO CLEANING - Necessary for health of fish.
CONSTANT pH - Always within the safe range
NO OSMOTIC SHOCK - 90% eliminated
NO ION ANTAGONISM
ECONOMICAL - Replacement only every six to eight months makes initial cost very low - eliminates expensive water changes - fewer losses
Chemi-pure makes some very strong statements about what
it can do :
LONGER LIFE - Fish often live three to four times longer than in any other closed system, fresh or marine.
NECESSARY ORGANISMS - Allowed growth with no danger of pollution.
REMOVES OFFENSIVE ODORS
REAL SEA WATER OR ARTIFICIAL
REMOVES TOXIC ELEMENTS - Including Copper & Phenol
IMMEDIATE ACCLIMATION - with ravenous appetite.
QUICKER RESPONSES - Neurological reactions like fishes in natural habitat.
FRESHWATER FISHES - of all species thrive
ESPECIALLY GOOD FOR AFRICAN CICHLIDS & DISCUS
NO WATER CHANGE NECESSARY - for at least 5 years (length of test only) PERHAPS NEVER!
CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER - Always sparkling blue-white water
NO CLEANING - Necessary for health of fish.
CONSTANT pH - Always within the safe range
NO OSMOTIC SHOCK - 90% eliminated
NO ION ANTAGONISM
ECONOMICAL - Replacement only every six to eight months makes initial cost very low - eliminates expensive water changes - fewer losses
Surely no one believes this could all be accomplished by some sort of resin? I suppose it also claims to cure male pattern baldness...
Sorry, I can't believe that would work, much less work more cheaply than water changes.
Jim
Sorry, I can't believe that would work, much less work more cheaply than water changes.
Jim
I smell snake oil.
DLeung10, can we back up for a moment and take a look at some of those claims in groups?
"LONGER LIFE - Fish often live three to four times longer than in any other closed system, fresh or marine."--If they only tested this as a five year trial, they are fooling themselves. This fails to take into account anything more than annual killies and some other fish with very short captive life spans.
"REMOVES TOXIC ELEMENTS - Including Copper & Phenol"--They aren't even smart enough to realize that Phenol isn't an element. That, right there, should be enough to show that they don't have the produce, but I'll read on with you.
"IMMEDIATE ACCLIMATION - with ravenous appetite."--How? Does it release the "all clear" hormones for each individual type of fish? Does it turn into a dither for some of the shy ones?
"QUICKER RESPONSES - Neurological reactions like fishes in natural habitat. "--Um, it thinks for them? Acts like them? What?
"FRESHWATER FISHES - of all species thrive"--Of course, you still have to feed them right, and I don't think that Chemi-Pure does that for you...
"ESPECIALLY GOOD FOR AFRICAN CICHLIDS & DISCUS"--Huh. Both of them? The same product makes water great for both of them? I understand that you have to add some trace elements for each, but Chemi-Pure keeps those in the right proportions throughout the five year period?
"NO WATER CHANGE NECESSARY - for at least 5 years (length of test only) PERHAPS NEVER!"--And this product just automatically removes ammonia and nitrites. Where does it remove them to? Does it have nitrifying bacteria? What happens when you change it; do those levels go sky high?
"CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER - Always sparkling blue-white water"--Water should not be sparkling blue-white. That's not crystal clear--that's crystal clear in front of a blue backdrop. Plus, their above claim about all species thriving in this obviously fails to take into account the fact that some of them need algae to survive and Chemi-Pure kind of removes the chance of algal growth for them.
"NO CLEANING - Necessary for health of fish."--bullhonky. It gets down into the sometimes extant anaerobic layer of the gravel?
"CONSTANT pH - Always within the safe range "--Nope, not buying it. The product automatically knows the safe range? How does its cleaning power not affect the pH?
"NO OSMOTIC SHOCK - 90% eliminated"--No/90% eliminated. Very conflicting. Why is there no osmotic shock if it removes impurities from water like crazy? Should it not remove trace elements, too, even if it claims otherwise?
"NO ION ANTAGONISM"--With a resin? Unless it takes out all ions, that's not true.
"ECONOMICAL - Replacement only every six to eight months makes initial cost very low - eliminates expensive water changes - fewer losses"--How large was their closed, change-less system? How stocked was it? What sorts of fish did they have in there? Also, the initial cost is markedly high, but the over time cost would be lower with fewer replacement if their claim stood.
All in all, I'm not buying it. They don't know basic chemistry, they can't write about economics, and they have not released hard data about their product and the tests which it supposedly withstood. I would suggest ignoring this product, using Amquel for dechlorination and its cycling benefits, if you use anything.
DLeung10, can we back up for a moment and take a look at some of those claims in groups?
"LONGER LIFE - Fish often live three to four times longer than in any other closed system, fresh or marine."--If they only tested this as a five year trial, they are fooling themselves. This fails to take into account anything more than annual killies and some other fish with very short captive life spans.
"REMOVES TOXIC ELEMENTS - Including Copper & Phenol"--They aren't even smart enough to realize that Phenol isn't an element. That, right there, should be enough to show that they don't have the produce, but I'll read on with you.
"IMMEDIATE ACCLIMATION - with ravenous appetite."--How? Does it release the "all clear" hormones for each individual type of fish? Does it turn into a dither for some of the shy ones?
"QUICKER RESPONSES - Neurological reactions like fishes in natural habitat. "--Um, it thinks for them? Acts like them? What?
"FRESHWATER FISHES - of all species thrive"--Of course, you still have to feed them right, and I don't think that Chemi-Pure does that for you...
"ESPECIALLY GOOD FOR AFRICAN CICHLIDS & DISCUS"--Huh. Both of them? The same product makes water great for both of them? I understand that you have to add some trace elements for each, but Chemi-Pure keeps those in the right proportions throughout the five year period?
"NO WATER CHANGE NECESSARY - for at least 5 years (length of test only) PERHAPS NEVER!"--And this product just automatically removes ammonia and nitrites. Where does it remove them to? Does it have nitrifying bacteria? What happens when you change it; do those levels go sky high?
"CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER - Always sparkling blue-white water"--Water should not be sparkling blue-white. That's not crystal clear--that's crystal clear in front of a blue backdrop. Plus, their above claim about all species thriving in this obviously fails to take into account the fact that some of them need algae to survive and Chemi-Pure kind of removes the chance of algal growth for them.
"NO CLEANING - Necessary for health of fish."--bullhonky. It gets down into the sometimes extant anaerobic layer of the gravel?
"CONSTANT pH - Always within the safe range "--Nope, not buying it. The product automatically knows the safe range? How does its cleaning power not affect the pH?
"NO OSMOTIC SHOCK - 90% eliminated"--No/90% eliminated. Very conflicting. Why is there no osmotic shock if it removes impurities from water like crazy? Should it not remove trace elements, too, even if it claims otherwise?
"NO ION ANTAGONISM"--With a resin? Unless it takes out all ions, that's not true.
"ECONOMICAL - Replacement only every six to eight months makes initial cost very low - eliminates expensive water changes - fewer losses"--How large was their closed, change-less system? How stocked was it? What sorts of fish did they have in there? Also, the initial cost is markedly high, but the over time cost would be lower with fewer replacement if their claim stood.
All in all, I'm not buying it. They don't know basic chemistry, they can't write about economics, and they have not released hard data about their product and the tests which it supposedly withstood. I would suggest ignoring this product, using Amquel for dechlorination and its cycling benefits, if you use anything.
WOW....nice replies
What about Nitra-Zorb to lower nitrate levels in addition
to weekly water changes ?
Thanks,
Daniel
What about Nitra-Zorb to lower nitrate levels in addition
to weekly water changes ?
Thanks,
Daniel
Daniel,
I think that I would agree with Slappy. I don't know about adding all sorts of chemicals to the water, so I wouldn't add any besides the bare essentials. Plus, good husbandry practices and plants will keep nitrates down, and water changes will finish the job. I'd say that I would do things the old-fashioned way, and change some water and siphon some gravel every however often and leave the chemicals (besides dechlorinator and the occasional necessary medicines) out of the equation.
I think that I would agree with Slappy. I don't know about adding all sorts of chemicals to the water, so I wouldn't add any besides the bare essentials. Plus, good husbandry practices and plants will keep nitrates down, and water changes will finish the job. I'd say that I would do things the old-fashioned way, and change some water and siphon some gravel every however often and leave the chemicals (besides dechlorinator and the occasional necessary medicines) out of the equation.
I'd recomend chemi pure. Used it for many years and never had any problems. Water stays crystal clear and parameters are excellent.
Dleung, while I doubt all those Chemi-pure claims, I do not automatically dismiss the product completely either.
As I noted, I don't use the products you name - but I use a product by Seachem called Purigen. It is a synthetic absorbent that does many of the same things Nitra-zorb does plus more(nitra zorb is made up of ion-exchange resins - as are some other similiar products). there was a thread a while back where someone asked about Purigen - and no one other than myself here had used it. It too was met with skepticism by others who responded but hadn't used it, but I can tell you from personal experience, I have been very pleased with it and my water since starting using it has never been clearer.
My point being that if you think the product may be beneficial, there probably is no harm in trying it. You really aren't adding chemicals to your tank - rather, these products sit in your filter as a form of filter media (ie like some folks who use carbon). While I respect many folks here for their opinions, I have noticed a tendency here for many people to easily dismiss what they themselves do not do (and please don't take it that I am referring to people posting on this thread - actually Jim Schmidt is probably the most knowledgeable/helpful person I have come across here). Yes, weekly water changes will cure a whole lot of ills, but I try to keep an open mind on other options - and since using Purigen, I basically do water changes once every 2 weeks - and my test results duirng that time are in the parameters I desire.
As I said, I have been very pleased with the results I have gotten from Seachem's Purigen. You may do the same using it or one of the products you mentioned. The only way you will know for sure is to try it (especially since the cost is not that significant). Actually using Purigen for me (since it lasts 4-6 months and then can be regenerated) is cheaper in the long run than weekly water changes on my 72 gallon .
Good luck with whatever option you pursue
As I noted, I don't use the products you name - but I use a product by Seachem called Purigen. It is a synthetic absorbent that does many of the same things Nitra-zorb does plus more(nitra zorb is made up of ion-exchange resins - as are some other similiar products). there was a thread a while back where someone asked about Purigen - and no one other than myself here had used it. It too was met with skepticism by others who responded but hadn't used it, but I can tell you from personal experience, I have been very pleased with it and my water since starting using it has never been clearer.
My point being that if you think the product may be beneficial, there probably is no harm in trying it. You really aren't adding chemicals to your tank - rather, these products sit in your filter as a form of filter media (ie like some folks who use carbon). While I respect many folks here for their opinions, I have noticed a tendency here for many people to easily dismiss what they themselves do not do (and please don't take it that I am referring to people posting on this thread - actually Jim Schmidt is probably the most knowledgeable/helpful person I have come across here). Yes, weekly water changes will cure a whole lot of ills, but I try to keep an open mind on other options - and since using Purigen, I basically do water changes once every 2 weeks - and my test results duirng that time are in the parameters I desire.
As I said, I have been very pleased with the results I have gotten from Seachem's Purigen. You may do the same using it or one of the products you mentioned. The only way you will know for sure is to try it (especially since the cost is not that significant). Actually using Purigen for me (since it lasts 4-6 months and then can be regenerated) is cheaper in the long run than weekly water changes on my 72 gallon .
Good luck with whatever option you pursue