Child Molester Glorified by Dateline NBC...

Native American: The definitions I posted were primarily for the benefit of nursie, who stated that the boy was raped and that "it doesn't matter whether he wanted it, initiated it, etc. Still rape".

It does matter. Consent is required for the event not to be considered rape. The student clearly consented. Therefore it is not rape.

You said: "For those who can't live with the law as written, there are other countries that overlook this sort of thing...these people should immediately apply for a visa."

Laws are being re-written all the time. They are not written in stone. Do I need to remind you that it was not long ago that a relationship between an african-american and a white was once considered "sick" and was often illegal? That it was once a crime for homosexuals to be together? That it was once illegal for women to vote? Thank goodness all the americans that didn't agree with the old laws didn't just move to other countries that "overlooked that sort of thing", and instead stayed and fought for basic human rights.

If the 2 people involved are both adults, and the so-called "victim" is not only not laying charges, but is happily engaged in an ongoing relationship with the so-called "perpetrator", I'd say there isn't much to get excited about here.
 
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No, by legal definition a minor can NOT give consent, hence any carnal knowledge is forced.

I can't really say much more. I dated guys well over 20 years my senior when I was 16-18. I knew they weren't interested in my scintillating conversation skills. To me the bigger issue is that she was his teacher--that's just unprofessional.
 
IMO this story began with a sick-literally sick teacher. No one in their right mind would do what she did. And then to keep doing it without thought of consequences. She needed medication seriously. But NOW they are adults, she has done her time...paid the price that society has given to her. I say let them be. If dateline wants to do a story on them so be it. If you don't like it, dont watch it. Dateline does their fare share of catching child predators. They catch more child predators than America's Most Wanted probably does. This is one of those very rare stories of a child and adult falling in love and remaining that way until the child is an adult. Look at Woody Allen. He married his step daughter right? I think that is sick too but not my life. I dont feel like MKL's lover is a victim, but her husband and children from her previous marriage, they are victims.
 
OrionGirl said:
No, by legal definition a minor can NOT give consent, hence any carnal knowledge is forced.

Sorry, but I see this as one of those legal/moral grey areas, since the person being "raped" denies that a crime had even been perpetrated.
 
Ms.Bubbles said:
Sorry, but I see this as one of those legal/moral grey areas, since the person being "raped" denies that a crime had even been perpetrated.
Legally it is statutory rape. Not the same as regular rape. Statutory rape is the act of sex with a minor, no matter if they consent or not. Rape is forcing sex on someone who doesnt consent. 2 different things.
 
jodimartin2003 said:
Legally it is statutory rape. Not the same as regular rape. Statutory rape is the act of sex with a minor, no matter if they consent or not. Rape is forcing sex on someone who doesnt consent. 2 different things.


Technically the situation could be seen as statutory rape. But these people are adults now, and by their own admission "in love". That's good enough for me.
 
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Ms.Bubbles said:
Sorry, but I see this as one of those legal/moral grey areas, since the person being "raped" denies that a crime had even been perpetrated.

In WA state (where the incident took place) the law states that it is a crime, even if both consent. If one partner is 18 and the other is under 16, it is a crime. If one partner is under 18 and the other is over, it is a crime. Semantics or not, those are the WAC's and RCW's (Washington Administrative Code and Revised Code of Washington).


It is frustrating on both ends. I was a younger gal who had older boyfriends. I didn't get it then, now that I have a 16yo daughter... boy do I get it. Maybe that makes me a hypocrite or just a seasoned mom. I know which one my daughter chooses ;) .

This is a very touchy topic. I think we can all see that there are grey areas and times when we feel the law shouldn't apply. But it is there to protect those who need it and it is a travesty when an innocent falls through the cracks. Maybe Villi wasn't a victim in many eyes, but according to WA state he was and she was the perpatrator.
 
My son will be 17 this September. I would not say that he is more or less mature than other boys his age. He still argues two or three times a week about why he should have to clean his room, why he should should do his homework, etc. When he has problems with school whose fault is it? In his opinion, it is always the teacher. He is never at fault for not handing in an assignment.

How can a child with this mentality be capable of making a decision about having sex with his teacher. As stated earlier - boys (and girls) are all hormones at this age. The laws protect them from people who take advantage of that child's sexual intuitiveness and lack of mature judgement.

To say that a 13 year old boy is mature enough to make this type of decision is ridiculous.
 
Viboy - good points, with a lot of truth in them. But it is a bit of a sweeping generalisation.
 
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