Childhood vaccines

Lila Boffins said:
Those are definitely on the autism spectrum. My son has been diagonosed PDD (NOS) with ADD and High Funcitional Autism.

It's a very, very wide spectrum.

Lila
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Those tendencies are, but he doesn't have all the the symptoms to point to autism or asperger's. I have friends with kids who have asperger's, and he definitely doesn't exhibit the same tendencies. No sign of ADD or ADHD, and he doesn't accurately fit the descriptin of PDD. I think he does have the potential for OCD (some of that on my husband's side). He does understand others emotions, and usually responds appropriately to them, but the way he is feeling overrides whatever anyone else may feel (he emotionally protects himself when he's in a stressful situation.) He also plays well and easily with other kids, and has a great imagination. He's always thinking up new inventions and solutions to problems, and gets very excited about his ideas. He has a very bright mind, and with that a few eccentricites...not uncommon for people who are very strong in math and art.
 
:OT: BUT.... I have to believe that many of the health problems that are "new" or finally being researched to find out the real causes have to do with the way our society is run...Everything seems to be polluted, and animals and produce get more drugs in a day than most of us probably receive in a lifetime. My husband and I actually eat very little meat (he doesn't eat any, I only eat the occasional poultry/fish) mostly because of health reasons. We also try to buy our produce from local stands when we can. Of course, that doesn't make it safe, but we think it cuts down on all the junk added to it over the course of being shipped/processed.

Anyone ever read "Silent Spring" Rachel Carson?? One of the most frightening books I've ever read and this was 30 years ago!! Some things have improved (not usind DDT, etc.) but alot has gotten much worse

Also, I know nothing about the procedure, but I had mentioned to a friend that maybe I would get my tubes tied while I was in the hospital. She informed me that I wouldn't be allowed :mad2: !! I don't remember if it is b/c I am too young (25) or if it is b/c this is my first child. How can they make that decision for me??? They can tell me I am not able to make the decision to prevent another pregnancy permanently, but they would allow me to abort them all?!!? Makes no sense :OT:

Ok, I'm done now :thud:
 
I agree with Holly about the processed food thing. What ticks me off though is that it's actually cheaper to buy the junk food. As for the tubal ligation thing, in Texas I have two friends with tubals. One was 23 and one was 25 but they both had two children already. Certain privately owned hospitals will not do a tubal because of religious reasons. I'm pregnant with my third child and I still don't want a tubal. I'm making my husband get his stuff done instead, ha, ha!
 
mishi8 said:
My middle child, a son, has some personality tendencies that are a little odd. He's not autistic, and he doesn't have asperger's syndrome, but he really doesn't do well with crowds, strangers and new situations. He likes to have predictable routine, and gets very anxious when we're going somewhere new/unknown to him. He's a very finicky eater, and is sensitive to touch. He also has a hard time remembering people's names, and gets confused when people look very similar to one another...he's said to me before that "the arms in his brain push names away." I can see him developing a number of phobias...he's already showing fear of water. But he's got amazing artistic ability. At around 2 years old, he was already drawing full human figures with detail: fingers, hair, teeth. At 4.5 he started doing portraits of family.

There is some history of fussiness/finickyness on both sides of the family. There's a strong math ability on my side: many engineers including my father, who has a genius math ability. And there is strong artistic ability on both sides. Also some history of depression. This could have to do with why my son is like he is, but I still go back over my difficult birth with him (which ended up with epidural, augmentation, and finally c-section) and how he was treated in hospital afterwards (separated from me for hours, and given antibiotics against my wishes, which has negative impact on an infant's digestive tract.) Plus I did vaccinate him, and will always wonder if that played any small part in it.
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Lila is right, there is a lot of diversity under the autistic spectrum umbrella. My son was diagnosed as autistic at three, and believe me, it was a good diagnosis. Now at eight he has improved greatly and in fact, sounds a lot like your son. He has the increased tactile and food sensitivities, need for routines, fear of new places, difficulty with names and in his case frustration issues. If I were you I wouldn't throw out an autistic spectrum diagnosis just because your son doesn't match one particular kid with Aspergers. My kid doesn't even match his own self from three years ago.
 
Why are you pushing the autistic diagnosis on him? I've never had a doctor ever suggest the diagnosis in the first place. Just because you think he has it doesn't make it so. You don't know my son, and there is no way he would have had any such diagnosis at 3. Like I said, the OCD thing may play out to be, but hasn't yet. I also wouldn't be surprised if there is an allergy or celiac connection (my side.) My son has gotten more particular at 5.5. I'm worried about him, because he doesn't eat as well as his brother and sister and is not wanting to participate in sports or group activities, and not progressing in swimming (repeating the same preschool level for a fourth time because he's fearful of the water.) He is very verbal...all my kids talk all the time...which actually drives me nuts, since I prefer to have my own quiet space and get really growly when I don't get enough space in the day/week. And I get frustrated when he's quick to whine/cry about stuff...his whiny voice is grating. However, he plays very well with other kids, even new friends at the playground. And this year has developed a very close friendship with a boy from preschool (who will be with him in kindergarten this year.) If you saw him along side those with autism spectrum disorders, I'm pretty sure you would think he doesn't fit the group.
 
MIshi8, have you tried cutting out the gluten and dairy? I've read about doing that for various disorders. I also have read that they now think that more people have celiac disease they are just misdiagnosed with other stuff. Even if your son is not autistic, I've heard of people using that diet for that as well.
 
Larissa said:
MIshi8, have you tried cutting out the gluten and dairy? I've read about doing that for various disorders. I also have read that they now think that more people have celiac disease they are just misdiagnosed with other stuff. Even if your son is not autistic, I've heard of people using that diet for that as well.
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If I cut the gluten and dairy, he'd have nothing left to eat! I've actually more recently been looking into the celiac issue for myself and my daughter. She and I are the ones with eczema and allergy problems. I've had one preliminary test done on myself, which came up negative, but we're seeing a dermatologist later this summer to look into more. For my son, I'm thinking he probably has allergies to specific foods (corn, peas other veggies) But up until now, he's been too young to do serious allergy testing with, and now he wouldn't deal well with the skin tests...we're going to hold off on it for now. Eliminating gluten, though, isn't always a great idea without having some baseline to work with. If a person is celiac, to eliminate gluten before testing is done, will make it difficult to properly diagnose the disease (results in a negative test due to the lack of gluten in the body.) Since he's not showing signs of skin, gut or oral allergy, I doubt the milk is at issue. I think wheat would probably be a more likely culprit for him. My other son has been positively diagnosed with penicillin allergy, but that is it so far.
 
The reason why I was asking since you mentioned it is because celiac can manifest itself lots of different ways and so do food allergies but in celiac disease you can have no symptoms and still damage the cilia in your sm. intestine. Lactase is on the tips of your cilia and when the cilia are damaged then you end up with a lactose intolerance as well as the gluten intolerance. Also, one of my friends took her son to a doctor that was into holistic medicine because she thinks her son might have food allergies and he told her to cut out everything except meat, fruit, and veggies and start reintroducing things one at a time to see what happens. Don't think it actually worked for them.
 
Larissa said:
The reason why I was asking since you mentioned it is because celiac can manifest itself lots of different ways and so do food allergies but in celiac disease you can have no symptoms and still damage the cilia in your sm. intestine. Lactase is on the tips of your cilia and when the cilia are damaged then you end up with a lactose intolerance as well as the gluten intolerance. Also, one of my friends took her son to a doctor that was into holistic medicine because she thinks her son might have food allergies and he told her to cut out everything except meat, fruit, and veggies and start reintroducing things one at a time to see what happens. Don't think it actually worked for them.
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Celiac disease typically does have symptoms, just those symptoms are way more varied that originally thought. The major skin symptom is dermatitis herpetiformis. However, not all celiacs show that symptom, and elminiating gluten doesn't show immediate change in the skin symptoms...it can take a long time, which is why it's better to start with a diagnosis than to just eliminate gluten on a whim. Lactose Intolerance isn't always associated with celiac, but celiacs often have lactose intolerance and other allergies. I have a younger brother who is showing a wide variety of symptoms of celiac...now, if I could only convince him to get tested.

It can be very difficult to cut out foods and reintroduce one at a time. Milk, for example, has to be eliminated for a number of weeks before reintroducing it again. A lot of people don't have the patience to follow it through...there are so many foods that have milk products in them.

That said, when I had my kids, I was aware that they could very well have inherited multiple allergies from me. So I went to a dietician that specializes in allergies and nutrition. She provided me with a list outlining the potential allergenicity of foods, plus guidelines on how to introduce foods to an allergic infant. First thing was to breastfeed exclusively for at least 6 months or more (and continue breastfeeding for at least one year, preferably two...which I did.) Then introduce foods very slowly, one food per week, starting with just a bit of food on the cheek and then looking for reaction within 24 hours. Surprisingly, most of the traditional first foods are big offenders for allergy. So we followed the food list carefully. I did this with all my kids, and saw no issues then. Cow's milk was one that they didn't tolerate well through my breastmilk, so I eliminated it from my diet. It wasn't introduced to them until well over a year, and they all tolerated it well then. Of course, things can change over time. With my son and veggie allergies, though, it's hard to eliminate and reintroduce when he won't eat them in the first place. :p:
 
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