Comments wanted: how bad did I do ?

honger18

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Hi,
I've never owned a fish untill recently I got a small tank with 2 fish as a gift from wife and kids whom know even less about fish...
I need you experienced people to give me some feedback on what I've done so far....so I can do better from now on. Don't spare me ! Any constructive help is more then welcome.
I'll try and give a short description of what I have and what I've done so far. I've been reading things like this forum and allready know some stuff was a bad idea...
ok here goes :

the tank is 20 liters ( about 5 gallon?). they filled it with tap water ( I have a water softner, good or bad ?) and emptied the bag with the 2 fish in it. I've been reading about cycling tanks etc, obviously this was bad, but just how bad ? what are the consequences of this. the fish seem reasonably fine now...
to finish the setup there were also some brightly colored rocks on the bottom and a filter/water pump.

I think the fish are 2 goldfish, they look like red cap oranda's but their forehead is not lumpy, just red ? is this because they are young?

I feed them twice daily " flakes for gold fish" and more recently sometimes "daphnies for all exotic fish" , this is probably too much, I'll try and lower their ration to once a day....is that ok ?


I change about weekly 25% of the water. I leave the bucket of new water a day to rest upfront, to evaporate chemicals.... I add a bit of" JBL biotopol R for goldfish" i got with the tank.
The pump/filter has 2 internal components: a big nylon spongelike thing that traps dirt(?) and a small charcoal(?) container. I rince both thouroughly under the tap.
from what i've read I shouldn't rince that under the tap but just in the water I took out? do i need to do this weekly too ?

I got them about 3 months ago. After about 6 weeks, after reading you have to keep the tank clean, I emptied the tank ( I kept a bucket of some of the original water), took out the collored gravel which contained a lot of brow goop by that time and replaced that by very rough sand...I collected at the beach ( this must be bad) I assumed that by rincing it thouroughly and pouring some boiled water over it first that it would be ok bacteria wise. the fish seem to like the sand as they pick the grains ( 2-3 millimiter) up, etc... I have been wondering on how I can clean that bottom layer now...but after reading here it seems that I should leave it and just change the water ?

...the fish seem ok after all this. the have active and quiet periods, always seem to eat ok...so how bad was it really, and more importantly what do I do to do better ?
humbly yours :bowing:
honger18

some pictures of the fish... : http://users.pandora.be/test75/
Please tell me what they are if not what I thought
 
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the tank is 20 liters ( about 5 gallon?)....<snip>...I think the fish are 2 goldfish,
In the tiniest of nutshells- you haven't the room to keep goldfish. Recommendations range from 10 to 20 gallons per fish- they grow extraordinarily large, and as waste producers go they are #1.
Essentials for keeping goldfish
Don't spare me !
Either return the goldfish for something suitable for the size tank you have, or get a larger aquarium.
 
Wow! I knew the tank was small, but not that small. thanks for pointing that out Cearbhaill.
Any idea on how long before this becomes a real issue ? they are about 5 centimeters now (3cm fish +2cm tail). I don't think returning is an option and I would have to do some convincing to buy a larger tank, which might take some time. would they be ok for the next couple months ?
 
They'll be fine for a while, they're still little, just keep up the water changes - minimum 25% once a week, twice is better.
The smallest tank I'd say you can get away with for two orandas is probably 25g, larger is certainly better.
I don't think you've done anything terrible so far :D
I do recommend that you get a really good filter with the new tank (if you can get a new tank, that is), because goldfish are notoriously dirty fish - they produce a lot of waste for their size. Something like a Penguin/Emporer (something with a bio-wheel) or an AquaClear filter would be fine, or if you want to get fancy Fluval and Eheim cannister filters are excellent. Make sure you get one that's rated for a tank larger than the tank you purchase so you know it will be enough to handle all their waste.
Your little guys are really cute, and you're doing great so far. Welcome to the hobby!
 
Since the tank is uncycled, for the next few weeks you should be doing daily water changes and using a good dechlorinator to get rid of the chlorine in the water. As the ammonia builds up (and it is) it and the nitrites are burnign the fish's gills and will shorten their lives.

The other problem with a small tank is that these fish give off hormones that will stunt their growth and shorten their lives considerably. Understand that these fish have the potential to live to be over 20 years old. Water changes will lessen these hormones and other harmful chemicals.

Feed once a day. Various foods are best.

While the tank is not big enough at least you have come to understand that.
 
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