Crayfish!

judayxlo

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I just purchased 2 Mexican Dwarf CPOs and 3 self-cloning marbled crayfish. =D
I just thought I'd make this thread to mark the progress.
I got a 10-gallon tank and I think that's big enough for these, since they don't grow to be that big. I'm really excited! =D
If anyone has tips or anything, I'll be happy to receive them lol.
 
Oh, and i'm wondering if anyone could tell me the survivor rates of these crays?
I'll be really sad if they died. T_T
 
Survival rates vary drastically, depending on quality and method of shipping, and quality of care. They are not difficult to keep. However, it sounds like you recently setup the 10g tank for them. If that is the case, it doesn't bode well for their survival. They need a healthy environment. That means a fully cycled, and preferably aged tank. They need the proper microbial levels to maintain a healthy environment for any type of crayfish, shrimp or fish.

There are ways to speed up the process (use substrate or filter media from an established healthy tank in the new tank). The first thing that I would add to a new tank would be snails. MTS (Malaysian trumpet snails) are ideal for setting up a new system. MTS reproduce rapidly and are extremely hardy. However, many view them as pests and an eyesore. Personally, I wouldn't add anything like your crayfish to a tank that hasn't been up for a minimum of three months (or one month with borrowed substrate or filter media, and MTS). Better safe than sorry.
 
The 2 dwarf crays that I ordered never came, and the seller assumed no responsibility (AFTER the fact.)
I put the 4 marbled (the seller threw in an extra for me) in my 10-gallon tank and things were pretty horrible for a while.
Luckily I figured everything out...like what to feed them and keeping the tank looking clear..
One of the crays got eaten by Monster (this is what I call the biggest one) while she was molting. Another crayfish died a day later..(I'm thinking the Monster got to her too..both her claws were missing!!)
In the end, I put 2 trapdoor snails in for the clean up, and I have in my tank my 2 remaining crays, Monster and Ariel.
Well here are some pictures!
This is my tank:
10-gallon
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Here is Monster:
(Right when I put this wood in, she claimed it as her own!)
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Here is Ariel's tail. She's hiding.
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Here's monster again. =D
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10g is pretty small for marmokrebs. You'll be lucky to keep both alive. Crays arent very social and they can and will eat anything they can get their claws on. Even CPO's will eat a fish if they can catch it. Honestly, your marmokrebs will very likely kill and eat any CPO's you put in there.

Another factor is your hiding places. You dont have enough. Each cray should have its own cave or hiding place... at LEAST. More is always better, especially if you plan on babies, which with a self cloner, you'll get them. I'd add at least 2 more caves in there to reduce the risk of aggression.

You really should have done more research before buying so many crayfish for a tank that size.
 
10g is pretty small for marmokrebs. You'll be lucky to keep both alive. Crays arent very social and they can and will eat anything they can get their claws on. Even CPO's will eat a fish if they can catch it. Honestly, your marmokrebs will very likely kill and eat any CPO's you put in there.

Another factor is your hiding places. You dont have enough. Each cray should have its own cave or hiding place... at LEAST. More is always better, especially if you plan on babies, which with a self cloner, you'll get them. I'd add at least 2 more caves in there to reduce the risk of aggression.

You really should have done more research before buying so many crayfish for a tank that size.

I was told the marbles do well with each other.
The person I bought them from had a lot in a 10-gallon with no problems.

And yeah..I agree that I could have done more research, but I'm very impulsive with everything I do. Its not a good thing, but when I want something, I buy it and then painfully learn the consequences of not doing research first. I can't really help this though, because I have ADHD and bipolar type 2. Even though I take medicine for both daily, there are some things that I still can't control, and being impulsive is one of them.
So what I'm trying to say is...I work hard, but it's hard for me to gage the consequences for my actions before I do them, so I end up suffering for it later. It's like being a dog.
Reason why I'm explaining this to you here is that...you said that in a really mean way.

I'm really REALLY new to the fish hobby and I DID do some research before I delved in--I just didn't do enough of it. I'm learning. Like I said, I'm more of a 'do it first, ask questions later' type of person. I try not to do that but it happens.
 
Just consider that your mistakes cost animals their health and even their lives. It is important to put them first and rein any aspect of yourself that would impact their well being.

As for right now, add more hiding places, dont get any more crays. Consider getting some pvc pipes and terra cotta pots. They're cheap and will be used gratefully by the crays.
 
Thanks for your help.

My previous answer was too long it seems.
My point was that you're being awfully rude about the information you're giving me.
I'm still learning.I already know I've made mistakes. You don't have to be so mean about it.
 
I don't think she was being mean I think she is concerned for the animals. I don't think getting ripped apart by the claws of another cray would feel very good. I understand your impulse buying, really. I think it is good that you came here to get information on the situation but sometimes it hurts a little when people tell us what we have done wrong. Her advice was good and more hides seem appropriate. I would try to find other sources to get information about crayfish before buying more. It sounds like your supplier must not have realized that you were new to crayfish and didn't give you as good of information as you should have gotten. Good luck.
 
I don't think she was being mean I think she is concerned for the animals. I don't think getting ripped apart by the claws of another cray would feel very good. I understand your impulse buying, really. I think it is good that you came here to get information on the situation but sometimes it hurts a little when people tell us what we have done wrong. Her advice was good and more hides seem appropriate. I would try to find other sources to get information about crayfish before buying more. It sounds like your supplier must not have realized that you were new to crayfish and didn't give you as good of information as you should have gotten. Good luck.

Exactly. I'm really not trying to be mean. But I have been in the pet business for 15 years working with rescues, groomers, etc and have seen so much pain and suffering to animals from just plain impulse buys, lack of research, and ignorance. I do think it is a very good thing that you are asking for advice and I do wish for the best for you and your animals. It is just really hard for for me to see animals be in pain or unhappy due to human intervention.

Here's some info about my cray setup: I have a 20gallon long tank with 3 CPO's in it. I have 5 hollow bamboo sections and 2 rock caves for them to hide as well as 2 heavily planted areas and a literal jungle of plants floating. I thought I had bought a 2 females and a male, but it ended up being 2 males and a female. The female spends all her time either hiding in one of the bamboo tube sections or hiding up in the plants in my "floating jungle" of watersprite and duckweed. The two males WILL fight if they meet up. In my 20 gallon tank that is usually a few times a week. Generally, both come out of it unharmed, though the one that ran away tends to hide for a day or so.

This is why I was so upset about your setup. Even with my setup I still get occasional aggression. You were planning on putting 2 CPO's and 4 much larger marmokrebs in a tank half the size of mine with only 2 hiding places. Crays are solitary animals generally. When they meet up with another of their kind there are 4 results: Mate (if male and female), Fight (any gender), predate (larger to smaller) or avoid each other and move away (any gender) In a small tank, that leaves little space for avoidance and will likely result in fighting. Marmokrebs (self cloning) are not dwarf crays like CPO's. They can get to be 4" (and one in the wild has been found that is over twice that) and will gladly eat a 1.5" CPO with no hesitation. A 10 gallon tank is 20" x 10" and for substrate critters like crays, the footprint is way more important than the amount of water. With 4 4" fully grown marmokrebs in that, it leaves about 1" of space between them. With 2, it leaves only about 6" between them. Not very much space for them to establish a territory. Since marmokrebs are all female though, you will have less fighting among them. Also, juveniles fight less than adults, which is why your breeder could probably keep more crays in a smaller tank. When crays molt, their new exoskeleton is very soft and they really need to hide from other crays or predators. Lots of crays kill and eat each other during molts if they can. From what I've read, it is a very common cause of baby crayfish loss in a breeding tank. This is why lots of hiding places are so important. They need somewhere safe to wait out their vulnerable time while their exoskeleton hardens.

Here is more advice that I can give you to help your remaining crays have the best life you can give them if you cannot get separate tanks for them. They make platforms for aquariums that you can suction cup or silicon to the side of your tank. Having an extra platform or two with a few caves, cholla wood, or hollow bamboo segments on each will give you much more area for them to roam. They may even each take up separate levels of the aquarium which can help with territorial aggression. Also, crays need a calcium source to help keep their exoskeletons in good shape for protection. Generally, you can buy food for them with calcium in it, or add a small piece of cuttlebone to the tank for them to pick at. Dont remove their molts, as they eat these to regain some of the lost minerals. I feed my crays a variety of foods with both protein and vegetable matter in it. I blanch a zucchini slice for them once a week and they get Captain Bob's sinking 40 pellets and spirulina algae wafers, which they love. They also enjoy hunting snails and I find them trying to eat small ramshorn or mystery snails. It gives them something to do and is entertaining to watch. I think the snails you have in that tank are probably too big for them to eat. Ramshorns breed quickly and they come in some pretty colors so losing a few to a crayfish wont ruin the aethetics of keeping them. They'll also eat any food not consumed by the crayfish, which will help keep the tank cleaner. Live plants are appreciated by crays for climbing and hiding in. Its much easier on them than plastic plants and they will also help keep the water clean.

If you do decide you want more crays, please get separate tanks for them. If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask. I AM sorry that I came across as rude, it was my frustration and sadness at loss of animal life that boiled over.
 
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