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well the p.h stands pretty good at 7.2-7.4 i have it checked often...ammonia 0 so and hes pretty energitc...and hes a pretty cool fish and i would have to get rid of him if i dont keep him in the 55....i have a 30 gallon tank...but i got a few baby electric blue dempseys that are going in it so i dont think they would like a hi ph :dance :thud:
 
i was just at the store.....and they mentioned somthing about meeting in the middle with the both species......like runing the water at 7.5 so its compermizing for both.....so im assuming that 7.5 ph wont be to much for the terrors and a lil higher for the electric yellow what do yah think :thud:
 
Nah i already have 2 and i already want a saltwater so i cant be setting up 4 or 5 differnt tanks......so i dunno what im gonna do ...im trying to find a large tank like a 150 or so cause i have some terrors ....so i'm hopeing to keep it within 3 tanks....2 freshies and a salt.......so in time i might have to give away my electric yellow...cause i dunno if he would live well with some electric blue dempseys.... i might sell my 55 and get a 75 to keep my terrors in and a 150 for my dempsey and an oscar or whatever i can keep in their.....i saw this lionfish the one that was in duce bigalow...i wanna get one of those...maybe the dwarf one so i can just use a 55 gallon :dance
 
Just a few things to add

Hi all.

Just a few things to add to this discussion.

1) Keeping New world and old world cichlids together is never a good thing. By meeting the water PH's in the middle to satisfy both fish. Neither will thrive or show their true nature or coloring. You will also risk reducing the life span of both fish.

2) another issue with mixing NW and OW cichlids is diet. They are a completetly different ends of the spectrum. The NW are usually Carnivorous or Omnivorus. They like and need protein ALLOT of it to grow happy and healthy. OW cichlids for the most part are vegetarians. With some obvious exceptions IE Dimidiochromis compressiceps who are not.
For the most part Africans cannot handle high protein diets. Their digestive tracts cannot process it and will kill the fish "malawi bloat"

3) Other things such as size, aggression, territories etc... just make the the combining of the two species just too much of a headache for the aquarist. Just when you solve the current problem other more annoying ones come up. It becomes a never ending battle to keep the tank from imploding. The cons really outway the pros. This is suppose to be a fun hobby and when the work overlaps the fun aspect of the hobby it becomes more work than hobby and it just isn't worth it.

I started a 20 gallon "nemo" tank for my two year old this year. I HATE the bloody thing. A real Pain in the ..... Makes me love the other 9 freshwater tanks that much more. The only cool thing about the salty tank is the Harlequin bass that I bought. It is a bass which in theory is a cousin of the freshwater bass which is a cichlid. So I like that fish. It acts like a cichlid too. Has it's territory and guards it. Very cool fish.
 
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well im assuming that your saying the ow is the yellow and the nw is the terrors....they all eat the same thing....which is brine shrimp....and the electric yellow is pretty active....he chases the terrors around the tank...so i dont really have any place to put him...my 30 is gonna have 2 electric blue dempseys babies in it....along with some neons....but they are their to make sure the water was safe for fish....id imagine the dempseys will beat them up eventually...so i dunno the yellow seems to be doing fine for now
 
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Brine as the main staple diet is not necessarly a good choice. From a nutrition aspect. They aren't very.

Brine shrimp have their highest nutritonal value when they are newly hatched and alive. The value drops as they grow. This is why it is recommended only to give them to fish a supplement a couple of time a week. With the rest of the time giving a staple food of some sort. IE pellets, flake.

From experience with blue JD's if you want them to grow fast. You should invest in a good staple food. Ocean Nutrition's cichlid omni flake is what I use to raise all my fry when breeding. HBH makes some really good foods as well, as does OSI. Tetracichlid flake and mini grandules is not bad either.

As for your OW (Old world cichlids, africans) you really should get yourself a good spirulina flake food for them. Then you can feed the tank a few times a week with that. The NW (New world cichlids, the americas) will not mind it at all.

HBH Green40 is a great flake, tetras spirulina flake is also good. You can also always go with Hikari's pellets. The cichlid excel is great for africans as is HBH's African cichlid attack pellets.

Hope this helps.
 
EHhh...man i hate flake foods.....they dont always eat them all makes a mess on the bottom of the tank...id prefer a pellet if anything.....and i figured brine was good cause thats all fish stores feed their fish...and i was also told to keep the live foods away from the terrors cause that will spark a aggression in them..
 
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