cyanobacteria

djkronik57 said:
I think it's a multi-headed monster actually. NO3 defficiency only causes it, once it gets started there's no hope for using NO3 dosing to get rid of it.

The bacteria that causes BGA is free floating until it finds an area where it can start a colony and has enough light and food (it does not need NO3, it can fix nitrogen). This is the phase when NO3 shortages cause it. A lack of NO3 means that there is a lot of other nutrients in the water that the plants can't use, but the BGA can since it can fix nitrogen. As a side note, oxygen will kill this bacteria. This is also why it tends to crop up in dead spots; low oxygen, natural settling place for debris and nutrients. Up until you start to see colonies, it can be prevented through NO3 dosing and keeping water circulation even. This is also where a UV may help to kill the bacteria in the water.

Once it finds a suitable area, it creates a colony enclosed by a membrane. Once it has entered this phase, it begins to grow very rapidly. Cleaning it out will not work since it is bacteria, and you cannot remove bacteria from your tank with any sort of tool. It will just re-establish a colony where it lands again. Dosing NO3 at this point is simply feeding the algae. You will notice huge explosions in growth after fertilizing. Increasing circulation will probably do nothing, since although oxygen is toxic to the bacteria, it is now protected by its membrane. It does work in some situations though, so it's worth a try. The only certain way to get rid of it now is to either do a blackout (which may or may not kill your other plants) or use Maracyn. Maracyn does NOT affect your biological filter if dosed correctly. People think it does because they see a spike in nitrites after treatement. This is due to the mass death of cyanobacteria that just occured in the tank. Just do a water change and your tank should level out in a few days. If the nitrite levels start getting high again, do another water change. If it really damaged the biological filter it would take weeks to recycle.

This is just what I've learned from fighting off BGA and researching it a bit. Really, dosing NO3 and circulation are just preventative measures. They will probably do nothing to combat the algae once it is established.


you hit the nail on the head here..I have been doing a lot o research and came across an article basicallystating what you have stated.

ultimately the fix was to use erythromycin (maracyn )

I did use it as recommended. the bacteria started dying off on the first day..by day 5 there was a lot of dead bacteria. btw, the bio filter is fine. the erythro had little effect on my bacteria in my filter. now to stay up on it I have added powerheads to increase circulation. I am also considering adding a uv sterilizer to this tank.
 
That is good news. To keep it in check keep your Nitrates and circulation up. Dose well and you will be fine. UV doesn't work with BGA; however, I would still recommend getting the UV for other things...lol
 
fresh_newby said:
That is good news. To keep it in check keep your Nitrates and circulation up. Dose well and you will be fine. UV doesn't work with BGA; however, I would still recommend getting the UV for other things...lol
well that's good to know about UV..odd how they push it as a fix for 'bacterial problems' :rolleyes:
 
Just to mention it on my 10g aquarium a 3 day blackout didn't manage to kill off all of the BGA. My 50g aquarium only took a 2 day blackout however.
 
Hound said:
Just to mention it on my 10g aquarium a 3 day blackout didn't manage to kill off all of the BGA. My 50g aquarium only took a 2 day blackout however.


I'm on my 4th day of blackout with my two 10 gallon tanks. One has cleared up, I expect the other to clear up within 2 days....we'll see.
 
I got rid of it almost by stupid laziness and dumb luck.

I had it pretty bad...it killed off my hornwort and my duckweed! Yes, it killed hornwort and duckweed!! It would so bad in fact, that streamers of the stuff were trailing on my poor angel's fins!

I bought the maracyn.

Dosed at half strength but forgot to dose every day...long story short, I hardly dosed enough to kill anything.

My lights happened to blow all at once and left my tank in darkness for over a week.

Somewhere between the puny dose of maracyn and the blackout, i was completely bga free within two weeks.

Then a few weeks ago now, with lights having been back on, no more maracyn, nothing. Just a perfectly beautiful and clean tank aside from the little bit of brown algae which I actually welcome as a sign the lights are back in good order.

The swords survived as you can see...so I'm filling the tank with just them from now on. But as you can see, no BGA! All from a very sligh dose of maracyn and an unintentional blackout.

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Be careful with maracyn though. It was the only way i could get rid of the bga, but i lost 2 otocinclus in the process. It was that or a toxin released by the dead bacteria. I tested for the 3 nitrogens 4 times a day and never saw a spike.

The BGA i had was one that was fully polymorphic. It was free floating, filimentacious AND the standard BG scum everyone else gets. it would crawl to the most lit positions. Water circulation just spread it. When the water column was flooded with bluegreen lint i decided to use the maracyn.

BTW, the drug you are after is erythromyicin (sp?), the other maracins are different drugs that are released under the well known maracyn brand name. You can use human intended erythromyacin also. The last i checked it was majorly cheaper ($20 for 60 pills without insurance, practically free with. also walmart is selling it for $4 without ins if i read correctly). how many times can you say that human medicine is cheaper than pet meds.
 
Yeah but where else are you going to get those particular types of rock and sand... (ok sand = mortar sand from lowes but the rocks are pumice and other cool things like blobs of broken glass... or plastic.. eeh i just find/build/plant my own decorations)
 
antibiotics used in pet are exactly the same as those used in humans..the only difference is the dosing.

heck, have you ever seen albuterol for horses?

the dispenser is atleast twice the size for a human. :eek:
 
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