Dead Fish! HELP

gabrie30

AC Members
Feb 15, 2008
186
0
0
So today I come home from class to find 1 dead female odessa barb. Its a 20GL with 2 "was 3" odessa barbs, 5 harliquin rasboras, 2 corys, 1 ADF, and a new pair of rams. The water parameters are as follows

Am 0
NI 0
PH 8
GH 4
KH 14
NA 2


I have no idea why she died, maybe she at to much? She looked normal when I pulled her out, maybe a little bit bloated. She was pregnant however...I'm just so confused
 
well, barbs don't "get pregnant" - they are egglayers. while it's possible that she was full of eggs, if she has been bloated for a while that could be the cause of death. internal infection or parasites.
 
yeah i think that you had a pregnant fish that died because of stress related causes. Also, I reccomend lowering the ph of that tank. 8.0 is too high for rasboras, corycats and barbs. If you are using tap water with a water conbditioner, then that may be why you have a high ph. its probably your local water. you could buy one of those bufferers that they sell at your petco or lfs. it should safley bring down your ph.
 
yeah i think that you had a pregnant fish that died because of stress related causes. Also, I reccomend lowering the ph of that tank. 8.0 is too high for rasboras, corycats and barbs. If you are using tap water with a water conbditioner, then that may be why you have a high ph. its probably your local water. you could buy one of those bufferers that they sell at your petco or lfs. it should safley bring down your ph.

my ph is as high and my cories are doing wonderful. I was told not to buffer the tank, it just messes it up pretty badly. .
 
yeah i think that you had a pregnant fish that died because of stress related causes. Also, I reccomend lowering the ph of that tank. 8.0 is too high for rasboras, corycats and barbs. If you are using tap water with a water conbditioner, then that may be why you have a high ph. its probably your local water. you could buy one of those bufferers that they sell at your petco or lfs. it should safley bring down your ph.

I did worry for a while that my pH was to high. However having a high pH is only important if your fish were caught in the wild, most fish you buy do not come from their natural environment. Furthermore the most important aspect of pH is its stability. My pH is a little high but very stable, which is perfect for fish that are slowly acclimated. I do not worry whatsoever that my fish are stressed because of the pH.

I am worried that something else might be wrong, and is what caused the death.
 
did the eggs come out separate, or in one big mass stuck together? if the latter, she could have been egg-bound, where the eggs get stuck inside and block the fish from excreting waste.
 
Furthermore the most important aspect of pH is its stability. My pH is a little high but very stable, which is perfect for fish that are slowly acclimated. I do not worry whatsoever that my fish are stressed because of the pH.

I am worried that something else might be wrong, and is what caused the death.

Not entirely correct -

High pH means that any ammonia in water will tend to remain as such while lowering pH converts it to the much less toxic NH4+ form (protonated).

pH stability is also of limited importance - instability can be OK if you know the cause of it. Planted tanks w/ timed, pressurized CO2 injection, for example, can see pH swings of 0.5 unit every 12 hours, this is inconsequential to the fish. If, however, your pH swings randomly due to lack of GH (low/no buffering capacity), this, coupled with general osmotic stress, can be bad for your fish.

Adding buffers to the water to control the pH is generally advised against because people generally don't want to be bothered with trying to match their water for water changes to what's already in the tank. If you just dump a bunch of buffer into the tank and then do large PWCs with tap water, you will have issues. If you take the time and trouble to match your incoming water with what's in the tank with respect to GH, KH, pH - the fish won't notice the change except that the water is cleaner. To do this well, you need to know how much of what is in every gallon of tank water and you have to be willing to do the math at least once so you can get it right during PWCs. If you do this sort of thing, it's best to replace evaporated water w/ RO so you don't inadvertently allow anything to build up over time.

While I have no idea why your barb died (gravid stress, dropsy, combination of both?), I hope this clarifies a bit of the reasoning behind some of the "not-entirely-true" rules of thumb so often passed on.
 
Not entirely correct -

High pH means that any ammonia in water will tend to remain as such while lowering pH converts it to the much less toxic NH4+ form (protonated).

pH stability is also of limited importance - instability can be OK if you know the cause of it. Planted tanks w/ timed, pressurized CO2 injection, for example, can see pH swings of 0.5 unit every 12 hours, this is inconsequential to the fish. If, however, your pH swings randomly due to lack of GH (low/no buffering capacity), this, coupled with general osmotic stress, can be bad for your fish.

Adding buffers to the water to control the pH is generally advised against because people generally don't want to be bothered with trying to match their water for water changes to what's already in the tank. If you just dump a bunch of buffer into the tank and then do large PWCs with tap water, you will have issues. If you take the time and trouble to match your incoming water with what's in the tank with respect to GH, KH, pH - the fish won't notice the change except that the water is cleaner. To do this well, you need to know how much of what is in every gallon of tank water and you have to be willing to do the math at least once so you can get it right during PWCs. If you do this sort of thing, it's best to replace evaporated water w/ RO so you don't inadvertently allow anything to build up over time.

While I have no idea why your barb died (gravid stress, dropsy, combination of both?), I hope this clarifies a bit of the reasoning behind some of the "not-entirely-true" rules of thumb so often passed on.

I have a PH around 8.4~8.6, although I'm still cycling the tank. My tap water is the same.
I don't want to entirely hijack this thread but what do you recommend to lower high PH effectively?
 
AquariaCentral.com