Disappearing cherry shrimp. Why?

NickD

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I'm trying to figure out why my cherry shrimp are slowly disappearing from both of my tanks. Hoping someone here might have a clue.

I've added about 30 or so shrimp in the larger tank and around 20 or so in the smaller one and they've slowly been disappearing over a number of weeks. I've gotten my RCS from 2 different sources at different times. Twice I've seen dead shrimp in the larger tank, once being eaten by my cherry barbs and one today just dead in the moss. The second one later got eaten by loaches and maybe other fish. I don't know if they were killed by the fish or not; I just know they got eaten by the fish. Both dead shrimp I saw were large red adults, probably females.


Here are my current tank contents. Some of the fish in the big tank are somewhat new.
65g Planted: 7 Boesemani rainbow, 1 TRUE Siamese algae eater, 6 zebra danio, 6 cherry barb + 3 fry, 8 black kuhli loach, 1 albino bristlenose pleco, 2 amano shrimp, cherry shrimp, snails

20g: 7 cherry barb fry, 8 harlequin rasbora, 3 fancy guppies, 12 neon tetra, cherry shrimp, some live plants, snails
The snails in both tanks are ramshorns and MTS. The may be one or two pond snails also but I haven't seen any in a while.

The 65g has been set up since beginning of March and the 20g since mid April. Both tanks are cycled as you can tell by the params. My water params look good ammonia and nitrite are both zero in boths tanks. Nitrate is between 10-20 in the small tank, and between 5-10 in the larger. Temperature in both tanks is around 79F. pH is 7.4-7.6 in the small tank and 7.2 in the big tank.

I have lots of plants and driftwood in the larger tank and both tanks have java moss for them to hide in. My 2 amano shrimp in the big tank are doing great. I've had them for 5 months, much longer than the RCS.

I have sponges over my filter intakes.

Perhaps related to this is that I've noticed fewer ramshorns in the big tank. They breed quite easily in the small tank and I'm regularly crushing them there. But in the big tank I don't see ramshorn babies anymore.

Copper? I do have copper piping in the house but if copper is the problem I would have expected the amano to have perished by now. The tanks have never been treated with any copper medications.

So anyone know why the shrimp are disappearing? Is some fish killing them, is there something in my water which is poisoning them or is there something lacking in my water?

I should also add that I have had berried shrimp multiple times but have never seen any babies. I had a separate thread about that probem which you may have seen.
 
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What are you feeding? How often do you do maintenance? I doubt it has anything to do with your pipes/copper or you would see more evidence of problems both with the cherries and amanos. Do you add any chemicals to your tank (fertilizers, etc) other than dechlorinator?
 
Rainbows in the 65 are eating the shrimp.

In the 20 gallon I wouldn't think any of them could eat adults. Are you sure their just not hiding?
 
What are you feeding? How often do you do maintenance? I doubt it has anything to do with your pipes/copper or you would see more evidence of problems both with the cherries and amanos. Do you add any chemicals to your tank (fertilizers, etc) other than dechlorinator?

Mostly I feed TetraMin flakes and Hikari Sinking Wafers. I don't target feed the shrimp. Once a week I feed frozen bloodworms and I did feed squash once this week.

I do 25 - 30% water change weekly. I use Prime for dechlor and nothing else. I use a python and up until 2 weeks ago I used to only add enough Prime for the amount of water I was replacing. I've now corrected my ways and now add enough Prime for the full capacity of the tank.

No other chemicals or ferts.

Rainbows in the 65 are eating the shrimp.

In the 20 gallon I wouldn't think any of them could eat adults. Are you sure their just not hiding?

I suppose it could be the rainbows. Could they just be hiding? I don't think so. I've just seen a gradual decline in the number I can see at any given time. I used to be able to count at least 6 - 8 at any given time and now I can only see 2 or 3 at a time.
 
Your 65G shrimp are being eaten, no surprise there.

The 20G shrimp are being harassed and possibly eaten after they die. You have an awful lot of fish in that tank and it is more than likely that the cherries feel "cramped" and get harassed at.

Mystery solved. Your fish are killing them.
 
i agree. fish love eating shrimp. and i think even small fish eat them when they molt. i could be wrong but i used to have ghost shrimp in my tanks and they all disappeared so i'm pretty sure they got eaten too.
 
I agree.... they are being fed to the fish.
 
Bummer. I was hoping I'd be able to keep the shrimp with the fish. They made a nice addition.

Yeah, the 20 is a little cramped right now. The cherry barb fry will be leaving soon, either going to friends or the lfs.
 
I am sure that is what is happening in your larger tank. However, do you have alotof plants in the 20g? Moss or areas where they could be hiding out? The fish in that tank are not particularly large or aggressive. These are adult cherry shrimp right? Its possible they are being pretty darn harassed and dying because of that. If you want to keep shrimp in that tank, you would need to make sure they have places to hide out and get away from the fish. Its very likely once you add this you will have a better survival rate, however they become much less visible. I cannot say it enough times, you never really realize how much FUN shrimp are, until you put them in a species tank. Even a 10g can be a blast to watch. If you decided to do this, you could let them breed and reproduce readily and then add full-size adults to the 20g anyway for display purposes (once there are some spots for them to hide better). Sorry for your troubles, they are worth the effort and it would give you an excuse for another tank! :grinyes:
 
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