Discus help please

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We have a 200 ltr tank been set up since Xmas. Water parameters all good. PH 7.1, Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate <5. Water temp sits at around 28 C.
Stocking 3 panda cories, 3 swordtails, 2 pearl gourami, 6 tetras & 3 discus.

The problem is 1 of the discus is not eating well, it is not growing like the others and is generally looking unwell. It appears to being picked on and is confined to an area of the tank by the other 2 discus.

At feeding time it gets only a mouthful or two before being chased off and it doesn't come back. I am feeding twice a day.

Any suggestions, help??
 
First, I'd like to see you keep the discus at a temperature of 30C. You are keeping the tank at 28C which is the absolute minimum. The panda cories maximum water temp requirement is 24C, you are going to have issues with the pandas in that tank, more than likely they won't live very long. Swordtails are nippy fish and will eventually pester your discus. And pearl gouramis prefer a maximum temperature of 26C. The tankmates are really not suited to discus conditions. Discus don't do well in groups of less than 4. They quickly establish a pecking order. When there is 2, one will be dominant and pick on the other, when there is 3, two of them will pick on one. Four of them seems to be enough to spread the aggression around. I have been in your situation with 3 and remedied the situation by increasing the number of discus in the tank. I know of no other way to stop the aggresion you are seeing. When one of the discus is being picked on and stressed, they will eat less food, display darker colors, and hide more often. They can be stressed to the point where they stop eating altogether, develop an ailment brought on by stress and weakened immune system, and they will eventually perish. Even if you moved the stressed fish into a tank of it's own, it would not be happy. They are very social fish and need a group of their own to do well.
 
:iagree: adding discus is the only way. IME 3 is the worst number you can have. I like to stay with odd numbers I would recommend 5. by adding 2 more you will have 3 that the other 2 will have to pick on not just the new 1 and the one that stays in the corner.

The panda corries will not last long at the temp. your discus need to be in. When you raise the temp do it slowly no more than 2f in 24hrs time.

I would get a 75 ltr long tang for the corries and the sward tails and tetras. depending on your tank stand it could go right below this tank.
 
What species are these tetras? Some will eventually die from the increasing temperature particularly neon tetras and red phantom tetras. Both prefer cooler waters and lack the tolerance for high temperatures. I agree with Debbi regarding the panda cories. That's what I initially thought as well when I started reading your post.
 
Thanks guys. I realise now that I need another tank. What would be the priority i.e. get more discus (& will my 200l cope short term) to stop the bullying or get another tank & deal with the compatibility & temperature problems? Sadly I'm not going to be able to do both immediately.
Thanks for all your help.
 
Thanks guys. I realise now that I need another tank. What would be the priority i.e. get more discus (& will my 200l cope short term) to stop the bullying or get another tank & deal with the compatibility & temperature problems? Sadly I'm not going to be able to do both immediately.
Thanks for all your help.

Adding to the group of discus would be wise, as it would help alleviate stress issues, and would lead to the group of fish collectively being healthier. When I first got into discus, I brought home a single fish, two more the following day, a fourth later that week, and finished the group off with another 3 about 2-3 days later. I then returned 1 of the discus, who was being singled out and seemed very timid in the group. I've had 6 happy discus since, and 2 of them have even paired off and have begun spawning. That being said, it may be wise to consider investing in the secondary tank soon if you plan to keep the corys, tetras, and gouramis in cooler water than the discus tank. The discus, especially if they are young, (speaking of which, how large are they?) need warm water. I keep my 55g (208L) discus tank at a steady 31c.

There are always going to be anomalies to whatever statistics we can get a hold of, and there will always be the one person who says that you can get away with something that everyone disagrees with. I'm not going to take either side, I'm merely going to share my experience, and let you take it for what it is worth. I purchased 6 corydoras (3 spotted, 3 peppered) for my discus tank a little over 3 months ago. (this is when I kept the tank at about 29c) I took about an hour and fifteen to acclimate them, being careful to slowly raise the temp of their water. I had one die overnight, the other 5 are doing well to this day. Now, these are catfish, living in water which is 88 degrees fahrenheit, or 31 degrees celcius. According to just about everything I'll read online about them, they're really only meant to be in water up to 25c. I'm pushing the envelope by 6 degrees celcius, which is quite a lot for a fish. Am I trying to kill them? Absolutely not. I genuinely enjoy my corydoras. I cannot see how their internal organs are being affected, so I very well might be on here in a few months posting that I was wrong about keeping cory's with discus, but for now, they appear to be doing very well. They are active, have good appetite, and tend to stick together for the most part. I'm not going to tell you whether you should or should not have corydoras with discus, I'm just sharing that I'm doing it, and in the 3 months I've had them (which really isn't very long, when compared to their 5-7 year life expectancy) they have been acting as though they're healthy and happy.
 
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