Disprove Global Warming!!!

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I am not saying that man doesn't cause global warming, but it just hasn't been proven and significant money should not be spent on a theory.

It seems theory (as used in science) needs to be explained again.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

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Ok what I thought a theory was was an idea which scientists have come up with based on fact but it has yet to be proven as fact. So when I say theory that is what I mean (sorry for not going into the dictionary).
 
Ok what I thought a theory was was an idea which scientists have come up with based on fact but it has yet to be proven as fact. So when I say theory that is what I mean (sorry for not going into the dictionary).

Sorry, when you talk about science, you must use the language of science. If everyone uses their own words, then we get all kinds of misunderstandings. (like Global Warming, Evolution, etc)

Quick Primer on the scientific method:

1) An observation is made or a question is thought up.
2) Research ensues to see if someone else has asked the question, made the observation, or otherwise made comments or experiments on the topic.
3) Questioner forms a hypothesis. This is an educated guess and must be both simple and very, very specific. Global Warming is caused by Carbon Dioxide is not a hypothesis. It is not specific enough. Something better would be: A 1 degree rise in average global temperature is caused by a 150ppmm rise in global CO2 levels.
4) An experiment is designed and performed. Now, when we say experiment, remember this isn't CSI. Some of the researchers I know have been working on the same experiment for 20 years!
5) The researcher analyzes data produced by the experiment. This is a non-trivial exercise. For example, the Large Hadron Collider will produce 700 or megabytes of data PER SECOND. Every byte will have to be analyzed and compared to other bytes, statistical analyzes run, etc, etc, etc. That's an extreme example, but not that unusual.
6) Then the researchers writes it all up, with his data, his math, his software (if unique), and sends it to a peer-reviewed journal.
7) The journal finds several other scientists who's job it is to find every mistake in the paper that they can. They will pick apart the entire paper, every bit of data, redo all the math multiple times and compare the conclusions in the paper to all of the above. Most peer-reviewed journals have a rejection rate above 50%. Nature (a premiere journal) has a rejection rate above 90%.
8) When the research is published, then scientists investigating similar areas come out of the woodwork and start picking the conclusions and the paper apart.
9) Then, if the conclusion really describes something useful, and survives everything that is thrown at it, and performs some other functions (especially predicting results of similar experiments), then after decades of consideration, it might start to be called a theory.

Keep in mind that some of the work Einstein did is only now being scrutinized and his major work was done almost 90 years ago.


That is why I get offended by people who think science is easy, or a waste of time, or what they read in the newspaper. One professor I know has been growing E. coli in his lab for over 20 years. He has tens of thousands of cultures. He's had hundreds of graduate students working on these projects. He and his students have written hundreds of papers. His lab has been the forefront of this type of work for 15 years. And some newspaper writer dismisses his latest paper as 'pseudo scientific junk, because the paper's conclusion offends the writer prejudices. A writer who has, maybe, taken two freshman level science classes... if they didn't go to liberal arts university.

Now, I'm not telling you that scientists are epitome of truthfulness and always right and always perfect. Any scientist will be the first to tell you that 90% of their hypothesizes end up being wrong. A true scientist will be the first to change his mind when additional evidence appears. A true scientist will argue his side until he's blue in the face and then tomorrow, after reading another paper.

That is why I insist on published, peer-reviewed papers. That is why I insist on a great deal of evidence. That is why I'm having this discussion with you now.

Because most Americans do not understand science. It scares them because it's hard and it goes against what they want to believe. Truth is hard and we aren't used to it.
 
Ogre if you were that worried about gw why did you bring another carbon dioxide producer into the world? You are now responsible for all the CO2 he and all of his offspring produce. It's easy to talk about reducing green house gases but alot harder to actually do it.
 
I understand completely. Hypocrisy is a hard thing to face in ones' self.
 
I understand completely. Hypocrisy is a hard thing to face in ones' self.

I have been most polite, you accuse me of hypocrisy.

I have asked for peer- reviewed evidence, you have provided none.

I have been patient and explained what science is and how it works, your compatriots have denigrated the work of some of the finest mnds I have ever had the pleasure of working with.

If you want to talk about science, I can do that. However YOU resort to name calling. Everything I have said, is demonstrable fact, again, backed by peer reviewed research.

Now, if you want to continue a scientific discussion, let's do that. If you want to continue name calling, then I'll ask a mod to shut the thread down.
 
Tell you what... does everyone agree with the following statements:

1) Humans starting burning fossil fuels within the last 100 years (by fossil fuels, I mean oil, coals, and natural gas).
2) Until humans dug up those fossil fuels, they were (for the most part) sequestered underground without access to the atmosphere.
3) CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
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4) That one molecule of a common ingredient of gasoline is octane, which has 8 carbon atoms and 18 hydrogen atoms.
5) When one molecule of octane is burned, that each carbon atom bonds with two oxygen atoms to form a CO2 molecule, resulting in 8 CO2 molecules per octane molecule.
6) That humans dig up and burn gigatons of fossil fuels per year.

Any denial of any of the above points?
 
Surreal, DUDE!

... Now, if you want to continue a scientific discussion, let's do that. If you want to continue name calling, then I'll ask a mod to shut the thread down.

How can anyone resist a childish threat like that?

Go ahead, take your ball and go home ...

Regards,
TA
 
I don't think I'm being impolite. I call it like I see it. I don't need peer reviewed papers to know that a person and their progeny and their progeny and their progeny and so on will produce more CO2. Do YOU agree with that? It was obviously more important for you to have a child than it is for you to do anything about gw except tell others what they should do. All of the premises you stated in your last post are true, but what you won't accept is that population growth is the 600 lb gorilla in the room that you are hellbent on ignoring as evidenced by you actions.
 
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