I've been able to grow all sorts of plants with my setup, no co2 and no ferts...other than the occasional dosing of flourish. I had better results though when I ditched all HOBs for canisters. If you are having problems, it probably isn't the type of lighting, but more your lighting schedule. I stay in the 9 to 10 hour range, but with only 6 to 7 hours with full light. Before I had my lights on a lot longer, but only small results. And obviously, co2 and ferts would definitely help your cause.