Dosing question for planted tank

After looking further into how I was dosing I have realized that I may have been dosing incorrectly.

How many ppms should I be dosing using the EI method with and without running C02?

EI is not really designed for non CO2, that involved little to no water changes(non CO2).

See here for more details on a Non CO2 method and with Excel dosing, you can do a modified EI, about 1/3 the dosing and then water changes maybe 1-2x a month.

http://www.barrreport.com/showthread.php/2817-Non-CO2-methods

Alternatively,. you can use sediments more as the primary source of ferts, this also applies to CO2 enriched systems also. Then you are not required to dose as much but doing so does no harm either.

BTW, test strips stink:thumbsdown:
For No3 and PO4,m bets to make some reference calibration solutions, then see how bad your test kit is, I use/suggest Lamotte for NO3 test, have for the last 15 years on record.

They have held up to the reference known standards unlike the cheapo hobby grade test kits, they sometimes are close, many times are not, only way to be sure, run against a known standard.

For the moment I would like to run with no C02, for the future when I might switch I would like to have both measurements.

I'm curious, why run EI/add ferts etc and then not add CO2?

You suggest that you want to increase the rates of growth/health of the plants by adding things, if you add anything, it should be CO2, since this is the more limiting factor, nutrients are often the last thing to add after good low light, then CO2, sediment ferts are good ........then water column ferts to top off that.

No one method will meet every person's goal. There are some trade offs and better ways to manage it.

Folks(newer) avoid CO2 like the plague without realizing it's one of the bets tools to increase growth/health, it's not like terretrial plants, and yes, there's some CO2 in a non CO2 tank and there is some growth, but it's much less than many want.

This is a good article that addresses light and CO2 at 3 different levels, low, med and high for each:

http://www.tropica.com/advising/technical-articles/biology-of-aquatic-plants/co2-and-light.aspx

Is 30 ppm nitrate too high for a tank with no CO2?

No, but you do not need that much either.

I saw on a site that said that you should be dosing 20 ppm and not 30 ppm instead. Which is one is right?

Not sure, I do not ever give specific ppm's, I do give a range, 10-30ppm is the most common range I suggest as a target. It's sort of the point, the range, not a specific set point is the goal, I little high, a little low etc is fine, nutrients can be pretty wide rangign without issues, as logn as the other Bigger two issues: CO2 and light are manged wisely and correctly.
Best folks get those 2 correct first...... then nutrients are much easier.

This is very exciting because if this was the source of my problems, I think I will be able to get in the clear very quickly once I have made corrections to the rest of my ferts.

Thanks Again!

I do not think it's the source, it might a little but not as much as light/CO2 are.

A plant is 40-50% carbon from cO2, a plant is also about 1-1.5% N from Nitrogen, which do you think will have the largest effect if you change it by 10x?

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
Thank you Tom I was actually hoping that you would be the one to answer my question.

So if I were to stay with no C02 until my current situation permits it, what would be the steps you would take?
 
Almost forgot my question still didn't get answered.

If I have a solution of potassium nitrate and 1 ml equals 1.08 ppm of nitrate in 10 gallons of water, how many ml's would I need to get 20 ppm in 29 gallons of water?

I thought that it was 65 ml correct me if I am wrong.
 
Thank you Tom I was actually hoping that you would be the one to answer my question.

So if I were to stay with no C02 until my current situation permits it, what would be the steps you would take?

I'd go with Excel and dose daily and then dose the EI at 1/4 to 1/3rd the suggested amounts.

Then do the water changes(you can do them weekly or 2x a month etc).

You may need to do more changes to get a nicer non cO2 planted tank and the growth is slower.

Either way, you will some trade off here. No way around this unless you like neglect and algae, which is a trade off in and of itself as well.

So non CO2, Excel or CO2 enrichment.

Read this also:

http://www.tropica.com/advising/technical-articles/biology-of-aquatic-plants/co2-and-light.aspx

It will help tie light and CO2 into this within a good context/framework.

Your liquid ppm's and dosing and total tank volume etc are things you need to work through, there are many dosing calculators that will predict the values for you if you cannot do it by hand.

Wet's is particularly good:

http://wet.biggiantnerds.com/ei/con_v_time.pl
http://wet.biggiantnerds.com/fe_calc.pl

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
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