Dropsy ???

Jessu

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I look for signs if illness in my fish everyday. It looks like his scales may be just starting to stick out a bit. I searched for dropsy pics but all of them look much more pineconed and advance. Im not even shure if they are sticking out any more then they normal do. I just want to make shure. Dose anyone have any dropsy tips and or pictures of a very early stage of it. I have Maracyn-Two..I heard that will kill the bio spira dose anyone know if that is true? I Heard you are supposed to raise the temp to 86. Is that also true in your guys experience. I wil add some Maracyn- Two and raise it to 80 while I wait for responces. I know he gets constapited wich can cause infection and infection is a cause for dropsy, so I guess thats the best route to start treatment.

I will try to take pics too.
 
What kind of fish is it?

How long has your tank been set-up?

Is it cycled?

What is your water change schedule?

What are your water parameters?

Pictures would certainly help.
 
Its a black moor. The tank has only been setup for about a week. Its brand new I got it because I had 3 fancy goldfish in a 5g tank. I have added bio spira. Enough for 90g. The tank is a 55g. There is also gravel from the old tank along with some other stuff from the 5g. He is acting fine and is his normal self. I raise the water temp and added Maracyn- Two. I only had 8 tabs. Im going to get more after I get home from school and basketball if the store is still open.
 
it's difficult to tell from your pictures, but if i had to guess i'd say it's more a function of instestinal impaction or a swim bladder issue rather than dropsy. swim bladder disease may be caused by many different factors including virus, bacteria or diet:

a virus can attack the epithelium of the swim bladder causing inflammation which makes the tissue too thick for gases to diffuse into the blood system. when this happens the fish exhibits lack of buoyancy because gases have nowhere to go. unfortunately, if this is your problem, it's untreateble.

bacterial infections can cause the same kind of thickening of the swim bladder epithelium as viruses.

anatomy ... globoid-shaped fish like ornamental goldfish are predisposed to problems with the swim bladder because of their anatomy which result in mis-placement of the bladder in the body cavity. this can lead to food impactions, which in turn clog up the pneumocystic duct.

feeding dry foods which tend to take on water like a sponge and expand in the fish can result in food impactions. due to the swelling/expansion of food in the gut.

so how are you going to treat swim bladder disorders? there are two means: prevention and treatment.

1. first and foremost, maintain good water quality. this will enhance your fish's ability to naturally resist viral or bacterial infection.

2. Pre-soak flake or pelleted food. this will allow expansion to occur prior to the fish eating it, and will lessen the chance of impaction.

3. try feeding your fish a couple of peas. peas high fibre content can encourage destruction of any impaction which might be present.

4. fast your fish for a couple of days. withhold all food for three or four days, and sometimes this alone will break up the impaction and return things to normal.

5. a product called Paragon II by Aquatronics® supposedly aids in treatment of swim bladder disease.

6. treat with Mardel's Maracyn-two or other broad-spectrum antiobiotic.

7. last resort - aspiration of the swim bladder. essentially you stick a needle in the swim bladder and suck out some of the air.

if it gets worse and you decide it IS dropsy, know the following:

Dropsy, is actually a "symptom" and not a disease in itself. the standing scales and blown up appearance are the result of swelling within the tissues and organs of the fish due to a build up of fluids in the kidneys and an inability to excrete this fluid in a normal manner. in other words, advanced kidney disfunction.

the problem with treating this disease is that there are a number of "potential" causes: bacterial infection, parasites, cancerous tumors, virus', internal fungal infections or sudden temperature drop of more than 3 degrees.

If the cause is bacterial, the swelling typically comes on pretty rapidly. if swelling is gradual then one or more of the other potential causes are more likely. unfortunately, treatment is most often useless at this point due to the advanced state of the disease process. When the illness, whatever the cause, has progressed far enough to cause internal swelling, the concommitant internal damage is usually too extensive to be repairable.

the latest research has shown that if the disease cause is bacterial and if the disease process is caught early enough, treatment with Romet B, a broad spectrum antibacterial, *may* be effective when used concurrent with an increase in water temperature to 84-86F for 2 weeks minimum.

BE CERTAIN to maintain HIGH OXYGEN LEVELS during such treatment since at these temperatures, water holds significantly less oxygen at these higher water temperatures. one of the suspected bacterial precursers to the disease process -- Aeromonas, is killed at these temperatures.

concurrently add 1/8 teaspoon of EPSOM SALT -- per 5 gallons of water. feeding foods soaked in ERYTHROMYCIN will kill the second suspected bacteria, Mycobacterium. in rare cases popeye has been found to be caused by Edwardsiella etarda. this is found *only* in fish that have been bred in outdoor ponds -- the functional bacteria in this case is carried by frogs. while fair to good results in treatment have been found by feeding Romet B., even better results have been found using injectable chloramphenicol or amakacin. this is best done by your veterinarian.

If parasites are a known cause, treat for them first for 3 days increasing the temperature to 86oF as fast as possible.

EPSOM SALT may help reduce the internal pressure casued by the swelling. extremely good aeration is necessary here due to the use of such high temperatures.

NEVER USE SALT (sodium chloride, a.k.a aquarium salt) for treatment of dropsy. this will KILL your fish in a very short time. the affected fish are already having a difficult time getting rid of salts due to kidney disfunction. this causes the blown up appearance and concurrent scale standing. the osmotic inbalance caused by addition of sodium to your tank water will make this condition far worse.

EPSOM SALT on the other hand, does not pass through the walls of the gut or gills and will extract water OUT of the surrounding tissue into the gut where it *may* be excreted.
 
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If you click the pictures they get full size.
I think you can see the scales sticking out here..dose anyone else see it?
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p127/Jessu89/IMG_3199.jpg

I think it could be instestinal impaction, he has been constapaited. He is afried of peas and dose not like romaine. Are there other types of vegies that will help. Im going to fast them and and presoak the food. Since he is afried of peas I will try making them in to really small bits. I have uped the tank and started using Maracyn-two last night. For the first dose you are supposed to dubble it. I only had 8 tabs I needed 10. I just put in 5 today. Where can you get epsom salt?
 
I minced some peas so he would not be afried of them. He is eating them and seem to like them. When will the peas take effefct?
 
if they're going to work, you should see some effect within 72 hours. if nothing good happens, let me know and i'll post a dropsy treatment if i haven't already.
 
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