Dwarf Rainbow with foot and mouth disease???

Hi guys, thanks a lot again for your recommendation :)

As you know I've just started fish keeping (almost 8 months now) and I have a lot to learn, I know there are a lot of very knowledgeable people in this forum very helpful and friendly, this is why I dear to ask for your help. I'm doing some research myself, internet and I've bought and read a few books (the most interesting one being fishlopaedia), but you know better than me that theory and practice are far away.
So I'm very grateful for your help and support, you guys are really great! Thanks, thanks, thanks!!!

I'm not planning to give him tetracycline at this stage, I was just looking for something with maracyn II active element so that in case I have in future a bacterial issue I can use it.
I still hope to get the metro and go ahead with your recipe :)

Now off for my water change! (I'll be late again at work today :)
 
Fabio, you are well on your way to one day becoming one of the fish gurus here on AC. I want to be a guru, too, but I'm still a long way off from that.:grinyes:

I can't tell you how impressed, and thrilled, I was that you were able to save your Gourami, Tommy, when he became sick with the same illness that killed your poor Lucy. You worked so hard to save her, really, you never gave up, and then you dug in and worked to save Tommy.:thm:

To be honest, I didn't hold out much hope that Tommy would survive it... but you did it!!

Thanks here aren't necessary, Fabio, but you're welcome. :)

We're all just doing what others did for us - trying to help if we can. I've learned a lot, just as you have, but the learning never stops. I still consider myself a noobie compared to so many of these folks here.

I hope we're steering you the right way; it's so hard to be absolutely certain about a diagnosis when you have a patient that can't tell you where it hurts, and you can't take its temperature, and is not even where you can get a good look at it, lol.

It's just the s.w.a.g. method of making a diagnosis: Scientific Wild *ss Guess, lol.

I so hope your Rainbow recovers fully.
 
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Thanks Mel!

Quick update from me.
No news about the metro I've ordered 5 days ago :(
The precox is still in main tank (and the wife complains about the empty QT running for the sake of it).
The lumps are more or less of the same size, the coloration looks to me slightly duller.. but it may be just me..
I've re-dosed the interpet general tonic as planned and everything seems OK so far.
I'm thinking about moving him tomorrow evening or Sunday morning... but what do I do next if the metro is not arrived? Just keep the water clean?
 
fabiobruno said:
Thanks Mel!

Quick update from me.
No news about the metro I've ordered 5 days ago :(
The precox is still in main tank (and the wife complains about the empty QT running for the sake of it).
The lumps are more or less of the same size, the coloration looks to me slightly duller.. but it may be just me..
I've re-dosed the interpet general tonic as planned and everything seems OK so far.
I'm thinking about moving him tomorrow evening or Sunday morning... but what do I do next if the metro is not arrived? Just keep the water clean?
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updates?
 
I had PMd Fabio to ask about his Rainbow; his condition had deteriorated and he did try one more dose of the Interpet, as he mentioned in his last post. The 'bow passed away shortly after that.

He said the Metro never did arrive and he heard from them with an apology, but told them it was too late. This was two weeks after he had ordered it. What a shame.

Fabio did everything he could to help him and he didn't give up on the little guy.

He did say that after he died, he did a post mortem and opened one of the cyst/nodules and it looked like it was full of extremely tiny egg-like specks. It looks like the problem was parasitic, and the fish had become filled with these nodules internally.

I asked that if he hadn't discarded it if he could possibly take a photograph, but I haven't heard back from him, so he had probably already discarded the remains. It may have been next to impossible to get a good close-up of that anyway.
 
What a Shame!

He should taken close up pics during necropsy and post them. Although my records are no longer avail, I think/hope I can recognize some of diseases Ive encountered.

Fab, Sorry for your loss & Hope all goes well!
 
Hi guys,

Unfortunately I fear I will be soon able to take those autopsy pictures :(
Sorry for not touching base for so long, it has been a quite hectic time and I'm also just back from a 1 month long holiday :)

Just before going on holiday at the end of July I had to euthanase my last dwarf rainbow (this was my first euthanasia and it wasn't pleasant at all, I used the concussion method, I had to do it because I couldn't leave it in that state before going on holiday even because the friend looking after my fish tank is not an expert).
Before leaving both my dwarf gourami Tommy and my female boeseman had a small lump on one side, on my return the boeseman is almost back to normal but Tommy is in quite bad shape, at the least 3 big lumps, a lot of holes in the fins, a swollen tummy and mildly bulging eyes... Everyone else is fine (I'm quite sad it is Tommy again).
3 days before leaving I had upgraded my filter to the fluval U3, outputting 600 L/H (155 GPH) in order to compensate for the reduced water change (my friend changed water just half way through my holiday, 2 wks ago).

While I was in Italy I managed to buy all antibiotics I wanted, metronidazole, minocyclin (maracin2) and erytromycin (maracin), so I'm almost ready to fight, but I fear it may be too late for Tommy (I said almost ready because my luggage managed to get lost during my journey back to UK, and I shall get it just tomorrow...).

Since over the last 4 months I've got so many fish infected I was wondering if it wouldn't be better to treat the whole tank (metro medicated food as recommended by Cerianthus and Mel)... what do you think?
 
I've finally received my luggage today, so got the metronidazole (flagyl), estimated the weight of my dwarf gourami to be between 7 and 10 grams (couldn't find useful info in internet on how to do this, do you know any web site? I've estimated the volume of the fish), but then decided that I'll administer the medicated food to all fish in the tank, so I crushed ~20mg of metro and mixed it with ~2 gr. of flakes, I'll let this dry and start tomorrow morning.

Incidentally another fish died, a male thick lipped gourami, this was completely unexpected because the fish was (and still look) in perfect conditions, no lumps, no strange behavior, nothing at all. The 2 males chase each other but nothing very serious and I see no sign of collusion in the body... I'm tempted to cut inside it to see if there is anything strange but I don't particularly feel I want to do it...

I'll post a couple of pics of the sick Dwarf later.
 
Few questions though.

1. Have you found drop in pH when you came back from month long trip.

2. If so, how low and any detection of NH3/NO2?

3. Have you taken any drastic measures to correct the water condition if water was way off?

4. Just on Colisa? Do you see any other fishes with same/similar symptoms?

5. DO you have q/t and Kanamycin?

6. Do you see any bending (curving) of spine?

7. Does it still have good appetite?

Upon reviewing the pics, I am very convinced this may be due to prolonged exposure to low pH therby inflicting Fish TB infection. Although contagious, I am still standing.
Just be careful with any open cuts on your arm and hand as prevaution.

I could be way off but this seems protrusion of tissues rather than cyst. This brought back memories of fishes when exposed to very low pH for long time.

LMK.
 
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