Efficient DIY CO2 Recipe Needed

wojo93

Amano Wannabe
Apr 5, 2005
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I've been experimenting with various 'recipes' for DIY CO2, and could use some input. As a side note... the fish have been removed from this tank to avoid adverse issues related to the pH crashes that have been inevitable.

My current tap water conditions are:
GH: 9 degrees
KH: 5 degrees
pH: 7.4
Calculated CO2: 6 ppm

The tank is a 20H
estimated water volume minus gravel, driftwood,rock: 17 gallons

The recipe that has provided the greatest CO2 yields to date has been one that I never thought would work:

- 3/4 cup cane sugar dissolved in 2 cups hot water
- 1 teaspoon Fleishman's Active Dry Yeast - dissolved in 1 cup cool water
- I immediately add the yeast mixture to the sugar mixture
- add 3 more cups of room temperature water to the bottle until it's full to the 'shoulder' of the bottle
- leave the bottle open for ~2 hours
- hook it up to the airstone in the intake of my HOB filter

It yields:
pH: ~6.6
Calculated CO2: 38 ppm

Which is lovely... plants are pearling like crazy.
BUT!! the mixture only lasts 4 days before the pH begins to rise again. At this point I've been changing the mixture to avoid the 2 day crash back to 7.4.

I've tried numerous other recipes that have involved much more careful preparation of the mixture.... boiling the water prior to mixing the sugar.. allowing the yeast to warm to room temperature before adding ~104 degree water.. adding a pinch of sugar to the yeast prior to adding it to the mixture to "activate" it... and allowing ample time for the yeast to hydrate before mixing. I've tried less water, more sugar, less yeast.... quite a few combinations... None of these techniques have produced a mixture that has brought my CO2 concentration to anything above ~20-25 ppm... and none have worked for more than a day or two.

I'd like to obtain a recipe that will allow me to see a CO2 concentration in the 30-40 ppm range (the fish don't seem to mind this level in the least) and more importantly, I'd like it to last for at least a week.

Any suggestions?
 
Perhaps the quick change in pH would mean that the yeast are "eating" up the sugar like mad little organisms they are. I've seen a lot of recipies that ask for 2 cups of sugar (and that's how much I've always used) and the mixtures have lasted me for at least a week and a half.
 
Less yeast and add baking soda

I suggest 1/2 teaspoon or even 1/4 teaspoon yeast and add 1 teaspoon baking soda.
 
Try more sugar and check for leaks. I was changing my mixture every 3 days until I took off all of my doodads (except the check valve!). Now I can go about 10 days. I dumped out a lot of good yeast and sugar before I figured this out!

Also, is it possible that your plants are taking up the CO2 faster than your yeasties can make it? Maybe it takes the plants 4 days to "catch up" with the new mixture.
 
Using jello mix instead of the sugar/water mixture seems to work much better on my case. Once the jello has set, proof 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of yeast in some lukewarm sugar water (just enough to get the yeast runny) and just dump the proofed slurry onto the top of the jello on the bottle.

Get a funnel, it's a pain in the *** not to make a mess without one. Also, let the jello 'sauce' cool before you put it in the bottle, I boiled the water, added the jello mix and the sugar, and then poured it into the bottle without waiting; the bottle turned into a Salvador Dali lookalike.

If you check the bottle out (use a funky color/flavor like lime or rasberry!) you can see the yeast working it's way into the jello, which seems to buffer the output and subsequent alcohol-related die-off.. my jello bottles easily last a month with steady output and non-fancy yeasts.
 
wojo93 said:
are you just making the jello as per the standard jello instructions?

Yup. Once I accidentally bought sugarfree jello, but just added the right amount of sugar to the mix (that non-sugarfree jello needed), and everything was fine.

Look in the CO2 Sticky for more info.
 
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