Endlers slow to drop fry?

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I have 5 pairs of Endlers and all the females look quite pregnant (very dark gravid spots), with a few in the "oh my god, she's going to explode" stage. Everyone is active and eating well. The males are well colored-up and hitting on everything that moves. With 5 females and a 23-day gestation period, I figure I should be seeing a batch of fry about once a week. So riddle me this:


2 weeks ago: got 6 pairs of Endlers (yay!)

day 1: lost one female (I assume from shipping stress)

day 3ish: saw solo fry that was alive, but not swimming well. Seemed well developed, but died within a day. Adults showed no interest.

day 5ish: found one male dead, cause unknown. No visible symptoms before or after death.

day 9ish: found another solo fry, dead, much less developed. Again, adults showed no interest.

day 14: still no fry batches.



Could those two solo fry have been premature drops? Or did I miss two batches of fry and Endlers are more cannibalistic than I thought? I have some plants for fry cover, including moss and floaters, but I was also counting on the reportedly small chance of cannibalism among Endlers.

Of course, I won't get really worried until I've had them at least four weeks, but I am getting impatient!

Stats:

- 10g
- plants
- driftwood (boiled every day for two weeks, soaked for 2 more, still leaching a little but not bad)
- cuttlebone (calcium carbonate) to counter any acidifying from the driftwood
- pouch snails...er..."water bunnies"
- Whisper 40 in-tank filter (w/floss)
- 75*F
- 40-50% water change weekly, plus whenever I start fretting over them (which is every few days right now)


Last I checked (a few days ago):
- ammonia/nitrite/nitrate: 0
- pH: 7.5
 
depends when they got prego
I realize that and I don't expect batch a week like clockwork. I just mean that, statistically, it seems that I should have seen a batch by now. They aren't juvies. They were all pregnant when they arrived---at least they looked that way to me.
 
My endler's are not cannibalistic and if they are they only eat one or two a brood. If your females are still visibly pregnant I would give it a couple of days, however you could have fry and not even know it. I hope you have lots of room or plans for fry, I started with 5 pairs and now have over 100 at any given time between feeder runs.
 
14 days let them get settled in Mom. Sometimes the stress of shipping will make them drop fry to soon
I have a 30gl tank of fancy guppies the numbers ebb and flow dead of winter and it looks like I may have to restock the tank but by last frost I'm thinking Wow were did all you lil guy's come from. Just give them time
 
My endler's are not cannibalistic and if they are they only eat one or two a brood.

the fry you found were probably premature drops, especially if you only found one at a time. they were probably the result of stress from shipping.

This is exactly the information I needed to put my mind at ease. Thank you!


I hope you have lots of room or plans for fry, I started with 5 pairs and now have over 100 at any given time between feeder runs.

Culls will be turtle food and extras will be sold/traded/given away. None of the LFSs in my area have Endlers, so I'm hoping they'll take some in trade. If it gets out of hand, I'll start separating males and females. I know the females can have several pregnancies after being separated from males, but it would stop eventually.

I'm trying to develop a specific color pattern. I have no illusions that I would make money at it or even make back what I spend---it's just for kicks and because I think it would be pretty.


Thank you, everyone, for your help. This forum is awesome.
 
I had much the same experience when I got my first endlers. I started thinking they were all sterile or something. At about 4 weeks I started to see some fry and since then have filled a 45, a 29, a 20H and have a few in several of my other tanks. Once things get moving, they really move. Mine do eat a few fry but they produce fry much faster than they eat them. It is not unusual to see a newborn fry and a large adult approach each other head to head and just swim by as if both of them failed to notice the other.
 
How to breed Endler's:

-add males & females to cycled tank
-feed daily, otherwise ignore
-count fish after 6-8 weeks

wish my retirement fund worked that well!
 
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