Evolution vs. Creation

[woodyblueeyes]

BTW it wasn't a chicken or egg, it really all started with the primordial soup. :

nope, it was a chicken. :thm:

 

[Dale W.]

Happy, Couldnt have said it better.

"The biggest difference between religeon and science is that religeon demands a belief in that which cannot be proven while science demands rigorous proof of any claim. Scientific theories are developped based on observables and are modified as our ability to 'observe' improves. Sometimes a theory may be scrapped completely in favour of a new one that better explains the observations and improves the predictability in a more satisfactory manner. A theory is a lot like building a house. You have your foundation - central concept - and you add on changes as the data improves. But sometimes it's better to clear out the clutter and start with a new foundation."


Watcher,
If you havnt noticed, preople are talking about Ceaser dressing to stear this thread away from the religious turn that it has taken. Please dont keep going with it here. You can PM each other about your discussion. Thanks

The Pyramids: :joe:

Well, if you guys would get off of your butts and watch some reality TV you would know that the pyramids were used as landing pads for great ships. Through extensive research that has taken the last 7 years or so, it has been found that an ancient race of people known as the "ancients" were the actual architects that built these great wonders. It was believed for many years that Rah ( who has been proven to be a false God) and his Jafaa where the ones who built these structures to enslave people from many worlds. Turns out that Rah was just a bad man that didn't play well with others.

I cant believe you guys didn't know this :huh:

And another thing. When are those poor people going to get off of that small Island?

 

[OrionGirl]

Finally--something I can comfortably respond to!

Mogurnda--Yep, read the Origin of the Species many moons ago, and have been a faithful reader of Gould for almost as many years. I'm waiting impatiently for my sister to give me the most recent one.

Dale, didn't you know that I AM Samantha Carter? Sheesh! :laugh:

 

[mogurnda]

When are those poor people going to get off of that small Island?

You mean England?

 

[OrionGirl]

Maybe he means one of these...

 

[happychem]

Not to put words in your mouth, but I think you might have been thinking about gradualism vs punctuated equilibrium. The prevailing theory before Gould and colleagues came along was that evolutionary changes accrued gradually. Then Gould came along and provided evidence that evolution happens in fits and starts. A population gets separated in a novel envrionment, and speciation happens relatively quickly (in geologic time).

Actually, that's exactly what I was getting at. I haven't read anything about evolution theory in probably a decade, so it's all just a mish mash of concepts in my head.

 

[Mako]

I've been reading this thread without making any comment because of the delicate nature of the topic but......sorry Mako, that is absolutely not the case.

Yes, Reiver, it absolutely IS the case, and by quite a staggering margin.
Take this for example:
We only have 10 writings by Caesar, the earliest copy being from 900 AD (about a thousand years after his death)
7 from plato, the oldest also being 900 AD, 1200 years after his death.
21 from Tacitus, the earliest known copy from 1100AD, 1,000 after his death.
Pliny the Younger, 7 copies from no earlier than 850 AD,
Suetonius, 8 copies no earlier than 950 AD.
Aristotle, 5 copies from no earlier than 1,100 AD (1,400 years after his death)

But the Gospels of the New Testament, we have 5,200 ancient manuscripts in the original languages (24,000 total in other languages) and many are from one to two hundred years of the death and resurrection of Christ.

 

[Mako]

Please answer my question before I answer yours. My answer would include elements of your answer in this question I have for you.

I did answer your question. God DID do something. HE DIED for us. He then resurrected on His own strength. God=Jesus. Christ dying and resurrecting = God dying and resurrecting. Why did He chose to show His love this way? I don't pretend to know. I'd take a grenade for anyone on this forum, so if a twirp like myself is willing to do something like that, why not God?

 

[Mako]

I don't want to get into the religious stuff at all- but Mako that is not the case, why on earth couldn't we build the pyramids the way they did (other than the fact that we lack a massive slave work force)? We have very precise records of how they were built, and where the materials came from.
Oh, and I agree, our records of Caesar are much more setailed than our records of Christ- when we are speaking of ancient records of course. Again, not trying to get into the religious side.

Show me such evidence of the pyramids being built---- specifically the big boys over at Giza.

 

[Mako]

Patristic Societies??

Do you mean Adam and Eve?

Or the Jews?

Adam and Eve are not a society. And if you mean the Bible is written from the perspective of the Ancient Jewish society...I thought the Bible was the word of god. Written by God through humans.

Adam and Eve didn't write Genesis. Tradition holds that Moses recieved Genesis from God at Sinai. So the Hebrew culture is the original audience, the ones God directed His Word to *first* and it *was* a patristic society. For whatever reason they weren't interested in including daughters in genealogies.

If any human wrote it from their view of things than the Bible became contaminated from the offset, wouldn't you think?

Not at all. That's why the Bible is called "inspired"---- For example, Paul told Timothy that all Scripture is "God Breathed", theopneustos in the Greek, which literally means, well, "God Breathed". Paul knew good and well a human hand penned every word of Scripture. Psalms of David, Song of Solomon, Prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc... These were men of God.

So we started from incest?

I think that explaining that Adam and Even had daughters, much less that their children had sex with each other is a very, very important point to include, if the Bible intends to tell us how it all started.

So, in 6000 years, the same family, all inbreeding, only starting with two people and their physical characteristics, created all the physical differences(ethnic groups) that exist today??

Um, it wasn't prohibited by any religious or political law back then, and there was no reason it would produce the terrible genetic problems it does today. I think it's pretty obvious that things, including human genetics, is going downhill, and has been for thousands of years. Scripture chalks it up to sin, rightly I'd say. Since we're only talking a few years past the first sin, Cain and his sis would be from virtually perfect genetic stock.

As far as the various races and ethnic groups, I'm not gonna pretend to have all the answers.

So you believe that Divergent Evolution happened that rapidly do you? I thought you didn't believe in Evolution.

That's not even remotely like "divergent evolution". Divergent evolution ends in the formation of two seperate species. Humans are not seperate species, they are all genetically 100% human.

Oh, and as far as the age of humanity, show me in Scripture where it says specifically 6000 years. It's certainly in the thousands and not millions, but where does your number come from via Scripture?