Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution or Creation?

  • Evolution

    Votes: 40 46.5%
  • Creation

    Votes: 23 26.7%
  • Both (originally created, evolved since)

    Votes: 21 24.4%
  • Neither (???)

    Votes: 2 2.3%

  • Total voters
    86
SoCalSunset said:
In that case, Mogurnda's deffinition of a theory, was actually correct. Then again, I'm not sure if you were trying to correct him, or just go into more detail.


Wasent trying to correct anyone, just give a definition.

Heres another, from wikipedia

" A theory is an established paradigm that explains all or much of the data we have and offers valid predictions that can be tested. In science, a theory can never be proven true, because we can never assume we know all there is to know. Instead, theories remain standing until they are disproven, at which point they are thrown out altogether or modified to fit the additional data.

Theories start out with empirical observations such as “sometimes water turns into ice.” At some point, there is a need or curiosity to find out why this is, which leads to a theoretical/scientific phase. In scientific theories, this then leads to research, in combination with auxiliary and other hypotheses (see scientific method), which may then eventually lead to a theory. Some scientific theories (such as the theory of gravity) are so widely accepted that they are often seen as laws. This, however, rests on a mistaken assumption of what theories and laws are. Theories and laws are not rungs in a ladder of truth, but different sets of data. A law is a general statement based on observations."

Or another, from - http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/theory.html

"A scientific law is a description of an observed phenomenon. Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion are a good example. Those laws describe the motions of planets. But they do not explain why they are that way. If all scientists ever did was to formulate scientific laws, then the universe would be very well-described, but still unexplained and very mysterious.

A theory is a scientific explanation of an observed phenomenon. Unlike laws, theories actually explain why things are the way they are."
 
I don't think we should get involved in another discussion about evolution. neither evolution, theistic evolution, nor creation can be proven wrong. I myself am a Christian and therefore a creationist but I can't prove myself right! also I don't feel like getting into the debate again(I was in the last one in the DNA thread, quite off topic :D ). both arguements have good points, but also some things that need to be worked out. for creationists we have to try'n defend our Bible and evolutionists have to defend their textbook!
also someone said that evolution isn't religion, well it is. like it or not. a religion is just something you believe. a person may have many religions. hope I'm not getting myself too deep in the conversation. last time was hard! anyways, peace all! :cool2:
 
pophead said:
a religion is just something you believe. a person may have many religions. hope I'm not getting myself too deep in the conversation. last time was hard! anyways, peace all! :cool2:

Depends on your definition. By my definition, religion requires belief in the supernatural or that there is a creator and governor of the universe. Evolution requires no such thing.


My only real comment in this thread would be this-

Evolution is a scientific theory. Creationism is layman's theory.
 
slipknottin said:
Why continue to post if you have nothing to add? If the discussion bores you, dont participate.
Nice, and quite direct... :D
 
Howdy all. I am a bit perplexed by the resistance to merely discussing this topic, but then again we live in a country where asking someone about their religous or political leanings is worse than asking someone their weight or age ;) . For shame I think, because they're both so important.

I'm one of the fellas who voted creationist, and though I'm religious, I don't think this way for fear of being stricken down or anything of that nature ;) . The way I see it, though evolution is cast as the scientific, sensible option, there's so much about evolution that is remarkably counter-intuitive.

So much of evolution depends on chance and accident. The timing, degree, and interconnectedness of all the world's systems, adaptions, and changes are so intricate ... I can't help but think there is necessarily conscious design behind it all. So, I tend toward creation, not because it occurred exactly as any religious text precisely lays out, but because evolution refuses to explain -- and contradicts even -- what I consider to be an intuitive truth.
 
MattyJFly said:
The way I see it, though evolution is cast as the scientific, sensible option, there's so much about evolution that is remarkably counter-intuitive.
What, for instance?

So much of evolution depends on chance and accident. The timing, degree, and interconnectedness of all the world's systems, adaptions, and changes are so intricate ... I can't help but think there is necessarily conscious design behind it all.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/cosmo.html
 
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