Expert Planted Tank Substrate Suggestion

Sometimes I think that the whole CO2 in anything more than 3wpg rule is just one of those things where we have been told it all along, but it might not actually be true. I don't do anything in my 20 long with 65w of PC lighting. Just ferts and excel. Minimal algae issues.
 
new2tanks said:
btw what does RO stand for?
Reverse osmosis. Basically purified water. Great for reefs since the salt mix provides all the essentails. For planted tanks, no chance. I wouldn't use pure RO on any FW tank come to think of it. Too unstable (pH crash comes to mind) and lacking in elements required for healthy livestock. It is possible to use pure RO and then add elements and buffers into it to replace what is lost. But then you end up with something your tapwater could provide anyway. Of course there are cases where some RO is needed for delicate setups, but for most of us tapwater is fine.

new2tanks said:
i aslo thought ghost shrimp were good for cleanup!
They are good scavengers but won't clean plants.
 
Obviously the person giving this advice (Dr. A) has never heard of plant substrates such as Eco Complete, Flourite, Onyx Sand, Profile/Schultz, and various ADA products such as PowerSand and Amazonia Soil.
 
Capt - I suspect that the lecture was some years ago - there was an excellent grower in Canada using potting soil during that time (in pots sunk in chicken grit = crushed granite) it did not look bad at all, worked fine, but everything needed repotting annually. I ran a tank or a few that way until I burned out on the extra work. Even while Dr. A was active, laterite was already around and in use, far superior IMHO and IME to potting soil. The substrate forms you name are all post-Axelrod.
 
I don't remember the year, but Flourite was one of the first special commercial planted tank substrates (versus substrate additives such as lateraite), and it was not that long ago. Seachem would tell you when that was released if you care enough to ask them, they are quite responsive to questions.
 
Sorry I haven't checked back in a few days, there are several things I wish to respond to, I hope to touch them all.

Firstly, I don't mind answering your questions or comments or what not, but childish, mocking or otherwise rude comments will not be responded to whatsoever.


There are numerous methods you can use to set up a very successful planted tank. This method is simply a method that has worked for me at my pet store, and has worked for a friend of mine who used to run a LFS here with tanks setup exactly in this matter for more than 20 years.

I don't think it's necessary for me to explain Dr. Axelrod's qualifications for being an expert on fish care, as a simple google search will reveal him to have several best selling books on the fish hobby, as well as being owner and director of Tropical Fish Hobbyist. He also has several species of fish named after him. If those qualifications aren't enough for you, then I don't know what more to say. He did, however, pursue illegal activities in the past recent years dealing with tax fraud. He apparently sold violins (he was a collector) to some New Jersey symphony, and misclaimed the sale on his tax returns in an attempt to defraud the IRS. He did plead guilty. This illegal activity, however, was only a few years ago and should not negate our use of his information as a fish expert.

The talk from which this information was gathered was given way back in 1987 in St. Louis, so I'm sure there has been an improvement in the setting up of planted tanks. Also, we took the information from his talk and worked with several different variables, i.e. products, layer size, nutrients, etc., to find what best worked for our store. Now I present this information to you.

The reason we use this layer method as opposed to other substrates (Eco-Complete, etc.), is that we have tanks that were set up in the early 1990s, and are still going great, whereas we've never had a planted tank that uses any commercial substrate such as eco-complete, a mixture of laterite or anything last more than a few years. Of course, a few years is quite a long time, and may be sufficient for many of you.

I should have better explained my reasoning for RO water. I always recommend RO water to customers for two reasons. Firstly, the water around this area is absolutely horrible. Extremely hard, very high in particulate matter, a ton of heavy metals, etc. And secondly, using RO water gives you complete control of exactly what goes into your tank and you don't have to worry about fluctuations of chemicals within municipal water.

Like I said before, we gathered information from an expert within the fish hobby, and we tinkered with it until we got the results we liked. There are many other ways to get a planted tank to work, but this method has worked very well for us.

Please feel free to ask more questions, I just don't very much appreciate the mocking, and quite frankly it is frustrating to see that the forum where I have learned a lot of my own fish information has resorted to these depths. However, thank you to those who did post serious and informative responses.
 
im sorry, but after reading the posts i did not read much mocking, just people stateing how rediculous they thoght that this setup was
i do think that this setup will result in nice plants, but some of the steps seem complicated... i might want to try some layering later, but if i did i would find a finer substrate to go under one like slate.

BTW some of these tanks seem like they might look very cool! Plz post pictures of them if you have any! :dive2:
 
I think the key statement made in all these posts is that the information is from 1987. This information is 20 years old! A lot has changed since then.

I also think people responded the way you did because of the way you worded your original post. You're basically telling people this is the best way, this is what you want to do.

Tom Barr brings up a good point about Dr. A. As you mentioned, he has many qualifications about keeping fish. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't his "best selling" books mostly fish encyclopedias? This is a plant forum.
 
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