fahrenheit 9/11

Can't people just disagree, without one side being right and one being wrong?
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Huh? How can you disagree without thinking the other side is wrong? :confused: (kinda know what you mean, just clarifying and being a bit of an *** :P)

It is inevitable that Iraq will pop up when we discuss Mr. Moore. I will add a detailed opinion on it later. As for now, I’m at work and need to be doing some work before my boss gets mad at me. :p
 
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I guess im just trying to argue my point but i am being led in circles.

On one hand i dont think war is the greatest solution to everything, as i see with the Iraq war. Yes Saddam is gone, and that is good, but in the process we have lost many lives on both sides that i really dont feel was absoluetly nessecary (at this point in time anyways).

On the other hand, in some cases such as WW2, i think war was nessecary and eventually benefitial to European and other involved countries. Yes, lots of peopled died, but i feel that many more would have died or come under the rule of Hitler.

In either case its a tragedy.... and as i said before its human nature to go to war... we have been doing it since we were cave men. Maybe the world will really change when we start using our intellegence to solve issues other ways than physically fighting.
 
Originally posted by ~*LuvMyKribs*~
Well if America wants all the countries to disarm everyone's weapons then THEY SHOULD TOO!
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We are disarming ourselves.


So your saying that if WW2 never happend things would be better than they are now?
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Where did I say anything like that?

Yes, lots of peopled died, but i feel that many more would have died or come under the rule of Hitler.
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And many will argue it was much the same with Saddam.
 
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And whats wrong with the ends justifying the means? That happens so much in our society today... especially with the justice system.

I dont care if its circular logic or not.... in my mind it makes sense. I always try to look at two sides of the story... as opposed to many people out there who only consider one.

Slipknottin you seem to be on the defensive about something... and i dont really understand it. Nothing i say should offend you but it seems to. Dont take other people's opinions so seriously... this is only the internet anyways.

Oh well. Im sick of this topic. Gimme something new :D
 
Originally posted by ~*LuvMyKribs*~

Slipknottin you seem to be on the defensive about something... and i dont really understand it. Nothing i say should offend you but it seems to. Dont take other people's opinions so seriously... this is only the internet anyways.
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Im not upset at all. And I havent taken offense to anything.

You just seem to be changing your argument once you find that your current one is hitting a wall. I dont know why you think Im the cause of this problem...
 
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Well I promised not to post here again, but since you deleted that I guess I do not have to hold true to my word. If you were a fair person you would have deleted everything that started to be argumentative. ;)

As I said, respect is earned...

... hopefully this thread can die in peace. :thud:
 
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now now afg lets not be mean...

i think its funny when people ask if you are pro-war or anti-war. there is no one in their right mind that is pro-war in every situation. everyone would like to avoid war at all costs. war is absolutely a last resort. the group of people that are pro-war on iraq believe that htis is the only viable option. now i admit, i am for the most part very conservative but i also like to look at both sides before making my decisions. usually when i weigh each side, my decision comes out on the conservative side.
before the war, there was an anti-war rally in 5 points (which is where all of the young people and homeless people hang out in birmingham.) all of my friends were anti-war simply because they think war should never be an option and they went to the rally so i decided to go with them. (my theology teacher was also doing a reading so i wanted to hear it.) i listened to the few speeches that there were but they just seemed to come up short. (most of the rally was people beating on drums and doing 'interpretive dance'-there werent that many speeches) i couldnt get a feel for why the other side existed except that they all hated george bush because he couldnt spell and because he was a republican. even the people that gave speeches didnt seem to know much about politics and left many gaps in their arguments. (most didnt even know the name of the vice president.) i really tried for 2 and a half hours to understand the anti-war side but eventually gave up and went home. im not saying that all anti-war people are just a bunch of hippies that dont know anyhting about the world and its politics today. its just that the anti-war side seems to be anti-war in general and not just anti-war in iraq. i think its kind of blind to say there should never be war under any circumstances. (i dont think anyone here has said that-i just wanted to give my anti-war rally experience :) )

i also think vietnam was a just cause but there was no way we could win. i am beginning to think that iraq might be slightly similar in the aspect that we arent fighting one enemy as a whole.
 
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i also think vietnam was a just cause but there was no way we could win. i am beginning to think that iraq might be slightly similar in the aspect that we arent fighting one enemy as a whole.
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we won every major battle in that war. We lost not because of how well the vietnamese fought, but because of public relations back home.
 
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Well I promised not to post here again, but since you deleted that I guess I do not have to hold true to my word. If you were a fair person you would have deleted everything that started to be argumentative. ;)
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I deleted all the personal attacks. There is nothing wrong with arguing points.
 
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