Fire Belly Toad ?'s

user_name said:
sorry for the delay, I got caught up in some unexpected stuff. (return of the runs:nilly:)

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as you can see the HOB sucks up water from the "deep" end of the back of the tank. That little river will be sloped up to the land, but the HOB will be moved to where the driftwood is now. (brown piece, it is an arch) I will make some form of a waterfall with my hob, its a plain old Aqueon quietflow20.

Ok, where the land and the water meet for the long horizontal line will not be sloped. Should I slope this? If I don't end up sloping, there will be some form of a ramp in the far left corner for the frogs to climb up/down.

Lastly, I have some quick questions:


  1. What are good floater plants to provide cover for the shrimp and allow the froggies to climb on? They can be real/artifical
  2. What will make the frogs feel more at home (live plants, ect.) I have seen stuff thats moss which you buy in a bag and put around the land.
  3. Is it ok to use all gravel for the tank? If I use coco fiber for the land will it spoil the water if it gets in there for a day or too?
  4. How many worms should be feed weekly? (not here on thursday night-sun morning until the end of football)
  5. How many frogs is a good number?
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1) Frogbit, red root floater and watter lettuce are all good.
2) On land just provide plenty of cover. This can be in the form of clay pots, driftwood or live plants.
3) Gravel tends to be sharp and can hurt the frogs sensitive skin when out of water. It will also cause serious dammage if the frogs eat it which can happen if they miss their target (bug). It is OK to use it under water but above should be softer like peat or coco fiber. If the coco fiber gets in the water it will be fine. Just scoop it out when you get a chance but it will not do any harm.
4) This depends on the size of the worms along with the size of the frogs. Your frogs will never be able to swallow a fully grown earthworm so it's best to feed little parts. For smaller frogs, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 6 inch worm per week. For larger frogs maybe 1/2 to a whole 6 inch worm. Just remember not to feed the whole thing at once.
5) This is always a debated topic. Many people say 1 frog per 4-5 gallons and that is gennerally a good rule of thumb unless you are working with a tall tank. In a standard 10 gallon 2 frogs sounds about good.

As for the divider between land and water, there should be something that they can hang onto for the entire border. Having fake plants hanging over the side could work or you could so an underwater moss wall along the boder so they have something to hold onto.

Other than that, it looks great!
 
thanks guys! I'm gonna to start set-up in the next week or so, once I feel good enough to start partaking in normal activities (another nasty cold)
 
Just gonna try to help ya out UN... When doing your viv for soil use a false bottom for water then mesh screen, followed by rocks then more mesh screen... This will help not make your soil to wet constantly. Next I would look into neo regalia bromeliads and if you need help with a good website ask and I will direct ya... Next for the driftwood... soak it for 4-8 hours then bake for an hour or two... It will kill any parasites and insects you don't want in you viv... Also make sure the soil you get doesnt have any fertilizers in them because they tend to harm the frogs when they eat the insects... Also for moss go with riccia or java for the tank and give it a minimum of 2months to grow in... Don't use a plexiglass top but a glass and then add screen mesh because plexiglass warps over time under high humidity settings... just open the glass once a day for ventaliation and you will have happy FBT =P hope this helps... (I build vivs for pdfs so =P)

Chris
 
alright, my LPS said that it would be ok for two FBT's to live in a 5 gallon, is this true? What supplies will I need to start a FBT tank from scratch (minimuim tank size, food ect.) Thanks in advance!
 
user_name said:
alright, my LPS said that it would be ok for two FBT's to live in a 5 gallon, is this true? What supplies will I need to start a FBT tank from scratch (minimuim tank size, food ect.) Thanks in advance!
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razz I know that you said 1 per 5, but is that for a palu or a habitat designed specifically for FBT's?
 
2 frogs in a 5 gallon tank is ok. As long as you provide plenty of hinding places and areas to get both in and out of the water it should be ok.

First you need a plan... How do you want to seperate the land from the water. There are a ton of different ways to go about doing it. One is the plain old mound of gravel or sand, another is a plain glass piece siliconed into place, another is the glass base with spray foam and driftwood covering it for a natural apperience. There are a whole list of options out there and IME, it is always best to have a plant that has been written down and a picture to be sure you know what you are doing.
 
I've seen the spray foam stuff, could I use that to make a natural slope leading up to the land, and then create the land out of that? I really want to avoid plexiglass, thats part of the reason I don't want to do a palu.
 
You could do it that way. Just have the foam in the middle of the tank and leave some area for whatever substrate you want. The only issue I see with this is that the water might seep through the foam and flood your land area, which wouldn't be all that much of a problem unless you want some exotic plants. Or you could make the entire land section all foam and just have pots and pieces of wood buried in it with the foam around that to offere a uniform look but with many hiding places.
 
RazzleFish said:
Or you could make the entire land section all foam and just have pots and pieces of wood buried in it with the foam around that to offere a uniform look but with many hiding places.
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Thats what I was thinking, except that I'll make a small 1-2" drop in the land side, so that it rises up, and then rises down to the water. In the 1-2" I'll put coco fiber, and use terrarium moss with a cave built out of foam, and a few small logs for hiding.

more questions, do I need a heating lamp or is 60 (bare minimuim) fine for them? Also, do I need a water heater? I do have a 60 watt adjustable lamp which I could put on top of the mesh top and bend so that it faces into the tank would that be fine?
 
The land section sounds fine.

As far as heat, they are perfectly fine with less than 60*F. They come from North East Russia so it get's well below freezing there and the frogs live.
 
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