Fish are intelligent and lead complex lives. -PETA

I think someone needs to do something to help those poor defenseless soybeans, I mean come on they're being slaughtered by the thousands, not to mention being forced to live in confined overcrowded fields, with enhanced growth stimulators (fertilizer) and completely unnatural water supplies (field tiles and irrigation systems) It really is criminal what those farmers do to the poor soybean plants. Whats next on the menu.
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The more amusing thing to me about many of the arguments offered in favor of a vegan lifestyle relates to wildlife habitat. They claim that grazing areas for cattle are detrimental to the wildlife in the area. And it's true, poor grazing practices can reduce habitat quality and quantity. But, the areas torn up and converted to crop land are much mroe damaging, as is the destruction of habitat for housing, mining, and recreation. So which is worse--making the animals share land that supports fewer native animals, or making it so they can't live there at all?
 
OrionGirl said:
... ..... ... .. So which is worse--making the animals share land that supports fewer native animals, or making it so they can't live there at all?
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Vegan bad breath!
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Fish are intelligent and lead complex lives.

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i once had a danio that kept swimming full speed ahead into his own reflection... non-stop... for hours. when i hear my rasboras chatting about Kerouac and asking each other out to the Enchantment Under the Filter prom, THEN I'll talk about the complex and interesting lives fish lead.

until then....
 
RE: animal testing/PETA

Can't say I've ever met a PETA activist in the flesh-I'd have to ask why they don't volunteer themselves as test subjects? Or would they rather do it like Mengela did??? :eek:
Sorry, I know that's a bit harsh, but I have no patience for that kind of "logic".
All things considered, I'll stick with animal testing, thanks...
 
granted land for cows is often less sterile as far as other life coexsisting, but the amount of food gained from the land used to produce meat and other products like milk is alot less than if that same land was used to grow plant food intended for humans.

if the resources used to produce the meat americans ate: the land, the plant based food, the clean water... were to be used to produce plant based food for humans we could feed the world to the point that starvation wouldn't exsist anymore.

now I am not saying that if everyone stopped eating meat that the US would actually be that generous as to make sure the world didn't starve but the ability to produce more than is needed is there.

no I don't think you have to change your behavior based on my view of things, but since Oriongirl brought up the land use issue compairing cow pasture to cropland I thought I would give my 2 cents on that.

Edit: realized she was talking about areas not worth atempting to raise crops on, still there are many places with more favorable conditions where cows are housed when more food could be grown without the cows.
 
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SnakeIce said:
if the resources used to produce the meat americans ate: the land, the plant based food, the clean water... were to be used to produce plant based food for humans we could feed the world to the point that starvation wouldn't exsist anymore.
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But the problem isn't in the amount of food we can produce, we already produce enough to feed the world 3 times over. New R&D in agriculture will only improve on this. The issue is with where the food is being produced and with distribution.

As long as we're talking land use area, I always find it ironic (and frustrating) that these same people who talk about land area used for meat/milk farming will also argue against pesticides and GMO's in favour of organic produce, which takes far more surface area to feed the same number of people.
 
I personally have some issues with some of the chemicals used becuase they affect my ability to eat the food product. I don't know what it is actually but used to be only a portion of the sweetpotatoes made my esophagus close up and make eating impossible for several hours. now potatoes, carrots and other root vegetables are affected. I don't know why sometimes they are fine and sometimes they hit me like that but I can only surmise some sort of chemical not produced by the plants is to blame.

I am all for finding ways to use less pesticides where possible but don't think we can viably eliminate the use of them.

from a non economical stand point I wish I could have all organic food to eat... but if I had money, and if frogs could fly....
 
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