fish legislation

The legislation also covers the social aspect of animal welfare, and it will be considered abuse to keep sociable fish – include goldfish – singularly.
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Now you can't keep even one tetra.:) Or loach for that matter.:D
 
It would be interesting to see what the law actually states. I'd hate to go to jail for 20 years because a fish died while I was on vacation.
 
How in gods green earth do they intend to enforce that. Dont get me wrong I LOVE the idea of it and all. But think of the logistics of this. Are they going to go into everyones house and check if they have just 1 of every type of fish or if they are being treated cruelly? I mean come on i hear stories almost every day about people who are neglectful with animals, but they were caught because they had 100's to 1000's of animals in thier house. I mean really how will anyone even know whats going on. Look at the austria case with the man and his daughter. had her locked up for 30-40 yrs or something like that. We cant even protect ourselves let alone animals.
 
catfish69hunter said:
How in gods green earth do they intend to enforce that. Dont get me wrong I LOVE the idea of it and all. But think of the logistics of this. Are they going to go into everyones house and check if they have just 1 of every type of fish or if they are being treated cruelly? I mean come on i hear stories almost every day about people who are neglectful with animals, but they were caught because they had 100's to 1000's of animals in thier house. I mean really how will anyone even know whats going on. Look at the austria case with the man and his daughter. had her locked up for 30-40 yrs or something like that. We cant even protect ourselves let alone animals.
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This was posted in the commentaries.

The new laws will probably be rarely enforced (although I expect there will be a few scapegoats made). Switzerland is a very law abiding country and members of society effectively enforce them themselves. Therefore if you have a solitary goldfish in a small bowl, expect your neighbours, friends and even family to come down on you hard for this. You would effectively be bullied into complying without any bureacratic involvement. The goldfish example you provide wouldn't occur as the parents would respect the law and therefore wouldn't house the goldfish in those conditions. You my find this far-fetched but this is a country where work is practically outlawed on sunday, even washing your car in a residential area may well generate complaints from neighbours. It may sound oppresive but it definately works. The Swiss love bureaucracy, it's a fact of life over here which took some getting used to (for me) as paperwork is endless.

This law would not work in the UK as respect for authority is not observed in the same way. If you tell people not to flush fish over here then the majority will not, I doubt you would get the same response in the UK. I fail to see how regulating aquariums (outlawing bowls etc) is a bad thing, you stop shops from selling these unsuitable vessels. Having a minimum tank size for tankbuster fish is a very positive move. The shops wil enforce it as best they can (the quality here is far above that I have observed in many UK fish stores). I will be chatting with my LFS about the laws over the next few weeks and will report back their opinions and concerns via the forum.

As a closing statement, isn't it great that a government accepts that fish are capable of experiencing pain and suffering and are taking positive steps to reduce this?
 
I don't know the law in Switzerland(that is where this is happening, right?). Maybe they can just walk into someone's house and enforce this or maybe they will have to treat it on a case to case basis. If they are reported by someone then the authorities will check it out. Who knows how they intend to enforce it. In this country I believe it would be a lot harder to do since there has to be just cause and most of the time a search warrant to come into someone's house unless they are invited in. The point is it seems finally there is enough pressure for someone to step up and notice this problem and that people are being cruel to fish too.
 
Lupin said:
This was posted in the commentaries.

The new laws will probably be rarely enforced (although I expect there will be a few scapegoats made). Switzerland is a very law abiding country and members of society effectively enforce them themselves. Therefore if you have a solitary goldfish in a small bowl, expect your neighbours, friends and even family to come down on you hard for this. You would effectively be bullied into complying without any bureacratic involvement. The goldfish example you provide wouldn't occur as the parents would respect the law and therefore wouldn't house the goldfish in those conditions. You my find this far-fetched but this is a country where work is practically outlawed on sunday, even washing your car in a residential area may well generate complaints from neighbours. It may sound oppresive but it definately works. The Swiss love bureaucracy, it's a fact of life over here which took some getting used to (for me) as paperwork is endless.

This law would not work in the UK as respect for authority is not observed in the same way. If you tell people not to flush fish over here then the majority will not, I doubt you would get the same response in the UK. I fail to see how regulating aquariums (outlawing bowls etc) is a bad thing, you stop shops from selling these unsuitable vessels. Having a minimum tank size for tankbuster fish is a very positive move. The shops wil enforce it as best they can (the quality here is far above that I have observed in many UK fish stores). I will be chatting with my LFS about the laws over the next few weeks and will report back their opinions and concerns via the forum.

As a closing statement, isn't it great that a government accepts that fish are capable of experiencing pain and suffering and are taking positive steps to reduce this?
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I agree its great that a governing body has finally stepped up to the plate. The truth is yes the Swiss are more likely to work with this and here in lays the problem. They are the only country that could make this law work and that is sad. IMO i feel that all these novalty bowls need to be banned. If the bowls are banned along with these little 1,2,3 ect gal small tanks then that would leave the smallest to be a 10 gal. Now with a 10 gal beginning the smallest that would be much more suitable for small fish to live in.
 
What needs to be banned are those wall fish tanks. They are so skinny I do not know how you can have any decent filter going for them and the space is so skinny how can anything grow in them.

Marinemom
 
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