Fish lying on the bottom of the tank

The treatments for white spot are designed to be powerful enough to kill the parasite, so you shouldn't need to do a water change in the middle of the treatment period in order to remove the parasites from the water. The ideal way to do treatments is to do a 25% water change before you put the treatment in, followed by a 50% water change at the end of the treatment period.

You do not need to leave your tap water overnight before a water change. As long as you add a good dechlorinator, e.g. stresscoat or the one Waterlife make, these will remove the chloramine as well as chlorine, which are both harmful to fish. The only reason people leave water overnight is to make sure that the chlorine/chloramine dissipates from the water, but is unnecessary if you add dechlorinator.

What are your current water tests showing for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates? What filtration do you use?

Your shop is giving you bad advice by saying to cram 12 fish into a tank in order to stunt their growth. This is bad for the fish and will not stop them growing. It just puts high pressure on the filtration which can lead to diseased fish.

If your tank is 24" long, you need to add no more than approx 12" of fish. The 12" is the eventual size of the fish, not the size you buy them at. I work in the industry, (not to sound heavy handed or patronising) and for a 2" tank, I would never advise more than 4 goldfish in a tank your size. So your current stocking level is fine, but I wouldn't add any more.

If you are sure it is white spot on the fish, continue the treatment, stop feeding (as you are doing), but what I would do is add some live plant (e.g. elodea) as the fish, if they do get hungry, can munch on these.

White spot has been a real problem in a lot of people's tank this year, and some cases have proved very difficult to clear up. You may have to use a different treatment after your current one in order to knock this on the head. You're not alone in struggling with this!

A possible other treatment would be API's Melafix as you add this each day for 7 days, and goldfish seem to respond well to this treatment. We use this on our stock tanks when things appear from time to time.

I hope you get on OK with this.
 
I'm pretty sure that when a fish is stunted, his body stops growing, but his internal organs still continue to grow.... ew.

How are your guys doing today Piscean?

~Tara
 
It's fantastic news for the Shubunkin who swims around and doesn't lie on the floor of the tank anymore
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The loach has come out of hiding and is swimming around a lot more
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Unfortunately the other goldfish is still lying on the bottom of the tank:sad

I know I was supposed to stop feeding them completely, but they had not eaten for SO long, and the loach was looking very well, so I decided to just drop a small algae wafer for the loach. The Shubunkin went mad trying to catch it so I dropped a small flake in for him, it was gone in seconds! Then to my amazement the goldie went straight up for some too! Although I'm not actually sure if he has eaten anything, because he kept spitting it out! He was eager to get the flakes but no matter how big, or small they were, he spat them out after a few seconds?! I decided to give them some peace and let them get on with eating.

Why would he do this? I read somewhere that they spit food out if they don't like it? I have ALWAYS fed them this food! Someone also said to feed them tropical flakes, because it has more variety and that they had successfully fed their Goldfish that for 13 years!!!

Do you think I should try tropical flakes?

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Piscean
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Piscean - sorry to hear about your troubles.

Lots of good advice has already been given - but I will add my 2 cents' worth.

May of those responding (including myself) live on the other side of the Big Pond from you - so I'm not sure if any of the products suggested are available to you.

In my experience, goldfish can tolerate a good bit of salt in the water, and it is a pretty good all around curative. Also try raising the water temp a bit - as high as about 83 - 85 degrees F won't hurt them for a few days. With salt & higher temp, there should be some improvement in 3-4 days. Keep up daily water changes, but mind the temperature - don't want to shock them with sudden changes. MelaFix, which you can order on line from most pet supply places here, will help cure and fix any skin probs.

Finally - once cured - going forward, try using Aquari-Sol if you can find it locally or perhaps order it on-line from here in the states. It will prevent and kill Ick, along with lots of other nasty things, including most skin infections. I swear by it and use it weekly when I do my tank maintenance. I've never had a sick fish since I started using it.

Good Luck.
 
Everyone looks so much happier this morning,:D

The white spots are almost all completely gone from the Shubunkin, and although he looks like he has lost weight, he is now back to eating normally. (although spitting some out)

I just need to find out what is wrong with the other one now! He is still sitting at the bottom of the tank but when I put food in, he acts normally, chasing around finding the food, but always spits it out!! So I still don't think he is actually getting anything!!:(

Does anyone know why? Has anyone elses goldfish done this?

Piscean
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It's quite common that fish don't want to eat when there is treatment in the water. If you've completed the treatment, keep doing water changes to remove it completely from your tank, and add carbon to your filter to speed that process up too.

If they continue to spit food out, it could be an indication of an internal bacterial infection. Is the poo still white? You could try some live daphnia, if you can get hold of it, if not, frozen will do. Try and feed them frozen food twice a week and dried food on the other days to vary their diet. You could also try Tetra Prima, which is a granule food, and most fish love it, even though it is marketed as a tropical food. I know many people who feed their goldfish on this and they are thriving. It also increases their colour!

Hope this helps and that your fish are getting back to normal.
 
Thank you for that, we are off to the shops to look for a few things now, so your advice came just at the right time!:D

The Shubunkin is back to normal, and the other one is looking much healthier now.

I read that they could eat a little bit of ripe banana, so I tried my other fish on it first, it was gone in seconds! But when I tried it in their tank, they didn't want to know!

thanks again to everyone

Piscean
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