Fishless Cycling Issues...

SirWired, thankyou. That is the recipe I used, and so far it seems to be working. Ammonia is now zero, and I am now waiting for the nitirites to drop. For me this recipe worked.

This recipe is very prevalent on the web, and is unambiguous. It may not be the best recipe, or even be wrong and I was lucky.
 
Reading the whole article you can see the recommendation is to account for varying concentrations of ammonia on the market. While it may work depending on factors in each case, it also refers to maybe saving 4-5 days. To me this risks having ammonia too high and inhibiying the nitrite part of the cycle.

Seems to me you are safer to do an initial dose to 5 ppm and then add enough daily to bring it back and hold there.
 
From what I've read, there are at least two different methods of fishless cycling as refered to above. One where you find out how much to get to the level you want and add that much daily and the other where you add as needed to maintain. The difference as I understand it is that with the former you will have a larger colony of bacteria when completed and it will support a full load of fish while the second is still good but fish should be added in stages. Adding daily will raise the ammonia higher and take a bit longer too. I opted for adding daily and am now at day 7. Ammonia is totally gone after 12 hours and Nitrites are coming down but still a day or two to go before Nitrites will be gone as well. I should mention that I used media from an established tank to jump start things. Time to test! Good luck.
 
I did not read every post completely so if I missed something you'll have to forgive me.

Excessive ammonia does in fact inhibit the growth of our nitrite eaters.

Excessive ammonia is more importantly not going to help things really.

5 ppm for the start maintained until bacterial activity is seen, and 3 ppm maintained each day after activity is seen, will create a massive enough bio-filter to handle full stocking plus a bunch.
Maintaining not blindly dosing these levels is all that is needed.

Blindly dosing 5 ppm ammonia into a tank every day could put you well over 40 ppm before you see any bio-activity. that level will need to be dropped to around 3-4 ppm before the ntrite eaters will begin to thrive. this could take several extra days or even a week by using this method. The next issue is the amount of nitrite you have at the end. With normal maintenance dosing it usually takes at least a 90% water change to put nitrates back in check. With excessive ammonia you simply add more work because it will likely take two or three 90% water changes rather than 1 or 2. The work woud be worth it if the end result had some benefit, but in honesty it doesn't. either method will produce a massive bio-filter and allow you to stock fully all at once. So two possible methods, both with the same exact end result, and one is more work. more risk of problems, and more cost. That seems easy enough to me really.

There is a lot of confusion about fishless cycling, but honestly a little study into the why's more so than the hows and you'll clear up the confusion.
Start by reading Chris Cow's two original articles on Aquasource, He was the first to put fishless cycling into a hobbyits friendly method. Go from there with your research.
 
It stands to reason that maintaining 5ppm will be as good if not better than a daily dose which I conducted; my ammonia has spiked and dropped, so when that happened, I had a big enough colony to eat 20ppm in a day probably. This is irrelevant to the final stage of the tank (apart from the extra ultimate nitrAte ) - since the huge colony will die back to one which consumes the 2ppm ammonia that I am now adding per day in the nitrite stage.

The high ammonia levels are before the nitrite eating chappies really start to build up anyway, so when it is their turn, their growth will not be inhibited.

I don't think there is much difference in the two methods, except that the approach I took will eventually result in more nitrAtes and it wasted ammonia for no good reason. And might have added a day to the cycling.

If/when I do another tank, I will add ammonia to maintain 5ppm, it certainly makes sense.
 
My thoughts on winding up with what we are calling excessive NitrAtes would be of some benefit for someone if they planned on putting live plants in there as well.

Wouldn't that be true?
 
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