-- Fire had never before caused steel-frame buildings to collapse except for the three buildings on 9/11, nor has fire collapsed any steel high rise since 9/11.
Can someone tell me how many of these other supposed steel building were hit by an airplane carrying not only jet fuel but a considerable quantity of oxygen?
It's a good thing the "war for oil" conspiracy theory has stopped... ...
Yeah that is quite possibly the stupidest of all of them. We are at war for oil, but we are still buying it at an extremely inflated price, and haven't even taken enough to offset the cost of freeing an oppressed nation. Just think if we had helped the south Africans we ould have been at war for gold and diamonds.
This is just sad. All the conspriracy theories... JFK, the moon landing, the Pentagon Crash site... now apparently all of the WTC 9/11 stuff as well. Oliver Stone, if you have aquariums and read these boards, please consider the fact that you had seat heights wrong in your piece of crap movie, thanks.
Hey Harlock you forgot to mention the holocoust. Remeber all of that was made up, Hitler didn't really do anything wrong. the pictures and everything were a creation by our government to justify the U.S. getting involved in european affairs.
Maybe if folks would try to remember who the enemy is, and remember that War was declared on the united states during the Clinton administration by bin Laden then maybe we could proceede and quit feeding those who are trying to help our enemies.
I fully agree that things should be questioned, but some things are too ridiculous for real consideration.
Can someone (hopefully many) please tell me this "theory" is NOT possible - and why Not.
This theory is not possible because it defies all reason. If the bush administration wanted for some reason to kill thousands of people it would have been far easier to do in a million other ways. next, Furthermore, bin Laden and the entire terrorist network he belongs too have never once denied thier guilt. Additionally there are far too many military personell involved oversees for this to be kept a secret. I know enough of them myself to know somebody would have spilled something by now.
Lastly I do know a good bit about fire, steel structure, and especially explosives. Structures of that magnitude are engineered to be self supporting. severe damage to any portion will transfer load and remove support from other portions. Oxygen added fuel fires will easily exceede the melting point of steel. I have used gasoline cutting torches, they run on unleaded gasoline, and with the right omount of oxgen they produce plenty of heat to melt and subsequently burn steel. Airplanes carry enough oxygen for their trip plus emergency brething O2 for any loss of cabin pressure situation. If you think about the number of passengers on a 747, the altitude typically flown, and the wasteful manner in which that o2 is delivered to the passengers. then you realise there is a god bit of bottled O2 aboard. So the intial blast would have been extremely well fed with oxygen.
typical carbon steel begins to change temper at 270*F hardened carbon steel depending on grade will do so somewhere below 350*F. As son as the temper in the steel began to change the structural integrety of the building was compromised. Add too this that it had been hit by an airplane, and the fact that it didn't collapse immediatly should amaze everyone. The idea that WTC 7 should not have collapsed is really preposterous. not only did it catch a good bit of the two large towers, but the building collapses pretty much compromised everything around them structurally. WTC was completely buried and undermined if I remember correctly. either of which would justify it crashing.
There is a far cry of difference between watergate whitewater and the conspiracy theories we are discussing here. And lets not forget that Nixon got caught, and did so in a day when it was much easier to hide secrets than it is now. do you think for an instant that a gag order on the NYFD would prevent any of them from telling someone if there was evidence that this wasn't a terrorist attack? I have a little more faith in the personell Of the NYFD than that.
From what I can gather, there's a lot more solid evidence for foreknowledge in the case of Pearl Harbor than 9/11. But it seems to me that the Downing Street Memo indicates more plausible evidence of behind the scenes manipulation. IF the head of British intelligence thought the evidence was being fixed, then it seems we have a top official with expert knowledge in his own field indicating government manipulation of facts in order to start a war. Thus far it seems there hasn't been any direct refutation of the memo.
the true facts in both of these cases are really simple. in both cases someone knew it was coming, and in both cases no one acted because, it is hard to know the difference between a real threat and a false alarm. When Bin Laden was shown on National TV during the clinton administration, he declared war on America. Anyone who understands the culture he comes from knows full well he meant what he said. however if Clinton had immediatly responded by hunting down bin Laden and his cohorts, the rest of the world and most Of America would have cried foul. Clear back to the Reagan administration there was evidence that Osama Bin Laden was a threat, Oliver North was scared of him and Al Gore laughed at the notion. I saw it happen on TV and had it explained to me by my Father. The bottom line is, we elected our leaders (contrary to what the conspiracy folks like to say) and IMO they are probably doing as good of a job as we can expect them too. No one will ever know if we did the right thing or the wrong thing, but we have enough history lessons to know that whatever we do we had better finish it, or it will be another waste of lives and money. Either way the idea that The Bush administration could have even considered doing this is preposterous. I wouldn't even think the Clinton administration capable of such a thing. Bush didn't have enough time in office to begin to orchestrate something of this magnitude even if he were the devil himself.
The American people do not have the stomach for War, right or wrong, the best we can hope for is a shallow victory. We should at least try to support our country and this article does absolutely nothing but weaken and harm America even more. This nation was gathered in support of our leaders shortly ofter 9/11 barring a few radical exceptions, and every day that passes more and more people forget what it means to support this nation. I do not like war, but I am an American and my loyalties lie with those who help, not those who hurt this nation. MAybe Morgan Reynolds should find somewhere else to live if he doesn't like our nation. Sorry for the Rant But I'm getting tired of the B.S. I doubt Michael Moore would even fall for something this ridiculous.
If everyone used their energy to help find solutions instead of creating more problems and confusion things would be resolved shortly. The facts are we are at war, the fact is the american people elected George W. Bush Now if we could just stop worrying about the stupidity and start concentrating on moving forward we might someday actually accomplish something completely again.
dave
