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Freshwater cycling

Discussion in 'Freshwater Newbie Forum' started by Rbishop, Sep 30, 2006.

  1. Rbishop

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    errmm..you have posted them before....including in chat via PM to me..just saying...in addition, I can do research on my own...I need not rely on your links to provide me information..might even have read some of the stuff you posted/linked about previous to this convo.....

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    of course!

    Rbishop vs. TTA! TTA takes a "science vs religion" approach to bring down the thread which so many turn to for guidance. Rbishop gains ground when TTA consistently and annoyingly calls out every single technicality, disregarding any and all implications. TTA gains ground when he uses fancy walls of text and links which we are all too dumb to understand and too lazy to read. Will Rbishop stick to his guns? or will he use his jesus-powers to silence the evil heretic? Will we question and abandon our prophet in the name of science?

    Find out the answers and MORE on page #20 of this thread!
     
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    At the risk of starting another argument just thought I'd let anyone who's interested know that Safestart certainly seems to be working for me and in far from ideal conditions (tanked is well overstocked for cycling purposes!!) I dosed tank 4 days ago, and it's gone from fluctuating (albeit fairly low) levels of ammo and very little else to today showing 0 ammo/nitrite and <5ppm nitrate and I can only attribute thus to the safestart.


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    i've always pictured him in more classy jammies
     
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    From http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=214764&start=45
     
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    from http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/swamp/docs/cwt/guidance/3310en.pdf


    from http://www.awqa.org/farmers/numbers.html
     
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    I am currently attempting to do a fishless cycle with my 30G freshwater tank. I'm using the API Test Master Kit, DrTim's One & Only Live Nitrifying Bacteria, and DrTim's Ammonium Chloride. Current tank temp is 79F, and there are no live plants or driftwood.

    I've followed the directions from Dr Tim's website (at least I think I did it right), and am now on day 12 of the cycle. Day 3 Nitrite was at 0ppm and Ammo was .25ppm so I added 30 drops of Ammonium Chloride. 5th day Nitrite was 0ppm and Ammo was at .25ppm so I added 30 drops of Ammonium Chloride. 7th day Ammo was .5ppm and Nitrite was .25 and no Ammonium Chloride was added. 9th day Ammo/Nitrite 0ppm so I added 30 drops of Ammonium Chloride. 11th day Ammo was .25 and Nitrite was 0ppm. 12th day Ammo is 25ppm and Nitrite is at 0ppm.

    Should I keep adding the Ammonium Chloride? Did I mess up somewhere, or are things where they should be?
     
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    Your tank is cycled. that .25 and even a .25 reading is not accurate. You can not continually have an ammonia reading, even a low one and not get a nitrite reading that follows it.

    If ammonia is at 0 and nitrite is also, then you have cycled tank. if something causes the ammonia to go up, it means there are not enough bacteria working to clear the ammonia and they will reproduce. The result is more nitrite gets produced as well- that is more nitrite than the nitrite bacteria can handle. So while the nitrite eaters are working and reproducing, you get some excess nitrite which would show up on the test.

    While is has not been documented or scientifically researched, there are an increasing number of posts on the net about issues with the API test kit and ammonium chloride. On the surface it makes no sense this would be a problem, but apparently it is. i am working with somebody on another forum in the exact same situation. Nitrite acts right and ammonia wont go below .25 ppm.

    At this point you have two options- to hold the cycle you dose about 4-5 drops every few days, or else do a water change and add a bunch of fish.
     
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    I'm not sure about the Dr. Tim products or instructions, but have recently gone through fishless cycling by adding household ammonia in both a 29gal and 10gal tank. Are you measuring for nitrates? I'm not sure how this tank could be cycled if you are not seeing any nitrates.
     

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