getting started, starter kits?

wolf13

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I am a complete newb beyond having done some research, but I am starting to formulate my plans so the time has come to post in search of specific info. Today, I stopped by walmart and petco to take a look at what they have. I pretty much had concluded that buying the hardware local was the way to go so wanted to see what my options were. Anyway, they had a number of the complete starter kits (I forget the maker, Aquaclear maybe? I searched but couldn't find a picture of the box and their websites were worthless. blue box versions in i think 10, 20, 29 and 55) and I was wondering how good they were and how decent the standard stands were. Walmart was defintly NOT the place to look for knowledge or live fish, but petco seems to have potentiol.

I am pretty much sold right now on a 29 or 30 due to size/space/weight/newness considerations but also wanting to go as big as possible to have room to play and not feel like I have few options. My immediate thought on seeing a "starter kit" at big chain stores is that I probably should run away, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing an oppertunity here.

My desire is to go freshwater with live plant heavy ( planted is the term?)and a mix of species (more on that elsewhere, but I do plan to include a bottomfeeder or two. I expect that I'll probably be pushing the limits on overloaded before I am done in either the 1 inch per gallon or the actual bioload.). I've seen pictures from the aquascaping contest, and thats the type of thing I've always liked when seeing an aquarium, I really dislike plastic plants (ag/env studies degree working in the ag/conservation field, I tend to prefer natrual), Even though I now it makes things more difficult. I am guessing flat out the light source for these kits is way too little so that will have to be replaced.

How about the rest of it? better to start from scratch and build for quality or is there enough there to make it work?
 
If you want to go planted, I don't think that you will keep much of the original starter kit besides the tank itself and the fish net ;). In my experience, the heaters in those kits are unreliable, and you will probably get another hood and light, anyway. With filters, it's hit and miss. If you want to go the "heavily planted" route, you will probably buy a canister filter at some point. If you stick to power filters, it's hit and miss with starter kits. At least the "All-Glass" kits change brands all the time, and sometimes you get an Aquaclear with it, which is nice.

If you can get a good deal on the tank itself, I'd try to buy everything separately.
 
A starter kit works okay. You typically get a decent tank, hood and heater. I personally am not a fan of the filter included with most starter kits.

I would use the price of the kit as a starting point and that see what you could build it for with top notch parts.

Assuming a 30G tank and Canopy. I would use the following parts.

Penguin 150 Filter (I like Bio-Wheels)
A Visi-Stealth 200 Watt Heater

If you are doing a heavily planter tank then the canopy for the starter will be useless.

I would go with a a retrofitted hood using lighting from http://www.ahsupply.com/

The other option is to go to a low-light setup. Lots of Java Moss, Java Ferms, Cryptos etc. The advantage of that is low-light plants tend to be low-co2 also.

General comment: BUy decent parts, start with easy fish and plants and then spend your life savings going overboard. :-)
 
here are my thoughts on What to buy:

30 gallon tank
flourite or eco-complete substrate
plant root supplement
Build your self a DIY co2 system. (plans can be easily found on the internet)
about 100 watts of 6700k lighting
a rena xp1
plants, of course
a 150 watt ebo-jager heater

as for fish, id recommend a school of tetras, 2-3 ottos, and a dwarf gourami

NOTE** Dont buya bio-wheel filter if you plan on doing CO2.
 
Look at prices of tanks compared to kits, and factor in shipping. Even if the people that know whats best say that most stuff in the kits needs to be replaced thatdoesn't mean it's a bad deal. If a starter kit for $250 is comparably priced to just an aquarium for $250 with shipping, well, it might be better to buy local and trash the "lesser quality" stuff.

I just started myself and went with a 24G Aquapod. When looking at prices I found that it was reasonably priced (even after shipping) compared to buying a more traditional tank and the necessary additions. All I needed to add was a heater and then fill with water, substrate, and fish. Currently I wouldn't recommend it, but I feel it should be an option.
 
A lot of it depends upon whats in the kit and what you are wanting to do. When I first bought my 50g I also got a starter kit with it. It came with two small flourescent light strips / hoods, a penguin 330b bio wheel filter, and a marineland dual temp heater (200 watt I think). Well those were the highlights at least. For whatever reason the heater didn't make it past the first year and the lighting and filter I replaced durring the second year. That is to say I decided to plant the aquarium and needed more lighting and I really didn't like the old penguin filters. The lighting was donated, but I still keep the filter around as a back up. Overall it was a good buy to observe fish in a non planted aquarium. For someone who is going to be starting off wanting a planted aquarium I'd go with a bare tank and buy the rest separately. If you have room for it I would suggest a 75g aquarium. For the bare tank I have seen prices as low as $100 new if your patient enough to catch a sale. With a 48" x 18" footprint it is a relatively easy aquarium to light and has enough depth really work with.
 
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