gravel maintenance

Peteisrad

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I just started a new 29 gallon tank, and although ive had tanks before, this is the first where I plan to put live plants. Now im wondering, when you vacuum the gravel, won't it uproot the plants? Wouldnt it also disrupt the plants and move their roots?

another question: Do I have to wait until the tank is fully cycled to add plants? Would the addition of plants make the cycling faster? Aren't there "hardy" plants just like there are "hardy" fish?
 
There are hardier and less hardy plants. I have started tanks that had plants in them from day one. the problem is getting enough nutrients in the water for plants right off the bat.

The best plant i've seen for that is called "foxtail". Grows like a weed everywhere i put it and great for eating up extra nitrates and other nutrients in the water.

As for cleaning, usually I vaccuum but only along the surface. I don't dig down into the substrate the way you do on non planted tanks. Remember, that mulm down in the gravel ends up feeding plants much of the time.
 
Substrate maintenance in plant tanks is very easy. All you need to do is skim the surface of the substrate to pick up any loose debris, nothing more. The organics within the substrate benefits plants, so you want to keep that intact. I have heard of some people rebuilding their substrates every once in awhile (every few years?) to rid themselves of extra organic material, and to add more laterite (assuming you use laterite). I haven't rebuilt any of my substrates ever (I use flourite btw).

For cycling, there are two options, as you may well now. Fishless, or fishy. If you want to do a fishless cycle, don't add plants. Plants need light... ammonia + light = algae blooms. During and after your cycle, you'll be fighting some pretty nasty algae blooms if you do a fishless cycle on a planted tank.

Your second option is to do a cycle with fish. What you do is stuff your tank with as many fast growing and cheap plants that you can. Cram every square inch of your tank. Give a day or two for the plants to settle a little, then add your herbivores (ie. algae shrimp, SAEs, otos, etc.). At this stage, you must be careful not to add too many fish at once, or you might experience a small ammonia spike, which would cause algae blooms and be uncomfortable for your fish. Give your tank a month or two to establish itself, then start to slowly (a couple of fish once week) stock your tank. This stage is also very important... you must take it very slowly. If you add too many fish at once, the bacterial colonies and the plants won't be able to keep up with the ammonia produce from your fish, and it'll result in an ammonia spike. After your stocking is complete, you can start to slowly remove your plants, add other plants, begin your aquascape, etc. Be slow in this stage as well, removing too many plants at once may result in an ammonia spike (since not enough plants are around to take in the ammonia produced by the fish), so you need to be slow and allow bacterial colonies to catch up as your remove + add slower growing plants.

HTH
-Richer
 
Thanks for the replies!

I already have added fish into the tank. The guy at the LFS told me to start the tank with 2 dozen goldfish, which I can take back to the store after the cycling for a full refund. Does this change whether or not I can start adding plants?

Thanks y'all
Pete
 
24 goldfish for a 29 gallon seems awfully excessive !! I'd take most of them back but continue since you've already started before adding the plants.
 
The guy at your LFS was grossly misinformed. Goldfish are not good cycling fish. Assuming they are feeders, you never know what kinda diseases they are carrying... many feeders are put through very bad conditions throughout their lifetime (which happens to be short because of these conditions). On top of that goldfish are large waste producer... in an established tank, its suggested to have 1 goldfish on its own in a 30 gallon tank... plus 10-20 gallons per extra goldfish. For 24 goldfish your looking at cycling yourself a giantic pond. Goldfish are also known as plant eaters, so that doesn't work neither.

My advice, return all of the goldfish asap. If you want to cycle with fish, go with the route that I suggested in my previous post. I forgot to add in my last post... if you go the fishy route, make sure that there is no detectable ammonia nor nitrite present in the water during the entire cycling time. If you do detect a bit of ammonia or nitrite, your fish load is slightly too large for your tank at the moment.

HTH
-Richer
 
Originally posted by Richer
The guy at your LFS was grossly misinformed. HTH
-Richer
I agree.. How can someone give this kind of "advice"???
 
Peteisrad,

Just wanted to second Richer's advice. No expert here - My tank is just 3 weeks old. I planted it first with mainly hardy plants (a lot of anacharis) and added the first batch of fish a few days later. There has been no noticeable reading for ammonia or nitrites and no algae yet.
 
thanks so much everyone!!

Your advice has been great.

I actually thought to myself when i bought those goldfish that the amount of waste thay 24 of them would drop would be too excessive. I'm learning more and more about this, but at the same time, im not an idiot...it seemed like common sense to me. But unfortunately, I still trusted the guy. IT didnt help that I told my girlfriend that she can pick out all the fish for the tank, however with my approval. And she really likes goldfish, so go figure. She cant stop observing how happy the fish look, when really I know that they probably arent thrilled with the water conditions. Oh well. At any rate. I really appreciate everyone's help. Take care

PEte
 
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