Green algae won't go away...

Hm, ok.
Either way, the green water has gone down like I have posed further up. I believe it was the crazy direct sunlight that was there for so long. I also made it worse by doing lots of big water changes. I am pretty sure my Well Water has a lot of good stuff that algae and the such love. I know my fish sure do like it.

Is Lime dangerous to fish? I noticed we get lime build up extremely easily.
 
Hm, ok.
Either way, the green water has gone down like I have posed further up. I believe it was the crazy direct sunlight that was there for so long. I also made it worse by doing lots of big water changes. I am pretty sure my Well Water has a lot of good stuff that algae and the such love. I know my fish sure do like it.

Is Lime dangerous to fish? I noticed we get lime build up extremely easily.

Honestly I am not sure on lime. Here is a water treatment article cut paste on well water to consider.

You may have access to well water instead of municipal tap water. One advantage with well water is that you don't need to deal with chlorine and chloramine. On the other hand, well water is frequently (much!) harder than water available through local utilities. In addition, the only way to know its composition (GH, KH, etc.) is to run tests on it yourself. Alternatively, there are companies to which you can send water samples that will perform a detailed analysis of its contents (for $20-100).
One potential problem with using well water is that it frequently contains high concentrations of dissolved gases (which may be dangerous to fish). For example, well water is frequently supersaturated with CO2, which lowers the water's pH. Once the CO2 escapes, the pH will increase. Fish shouldn't be subjected to this temporary pH fluctuation. For safety, aerate well water thoroughly for several hours before adding it to your tank.



I would be in fear of contamination of my well by run off. On top of it all.
You really should run a water test off your water from the well to get an idea of what you are dealing with. I would love to see the test results to.


I used to live in Illinois outside of town. I know well water can be pretty hard water. Dry out your skin to =p.



If I was in your shoes, I would honestly do 2 things here.

1. Test Nitrate,nitrite,ammonia,phosphate, PH, and Alk on that well water first.

2. Buy some RO/DI water once week as the change out water.
It takes less vs tap water to impact nitrates and phosphates.

It is impractical to buy a RO/DI unit or simply 3 stage RO unit with well water ...cause you burn through those expensive filters OH so fast.

I wish you luck ..but more and more I suspect its the water source + light exposure...but most of the problem is your water source.
 
Have been following this thread with interest as I got my first outbreak of what I suspect is green water about the time it started (although the water is not actually green so much as hazy-yellowish-foggy looking.)

I too am on well water and have had zero greenwater problems in my older tank, 10g/substrate-fairly heavily planted/heavy bioload. The newer tank is the one with the problem: also 10/g but no substrate, plants all in glasses or bound to driftwood in turn attached to rocks. Occupants, 4 tiger shrimp, 4 adult endlers, fluctuating numbers of endler fry and 1 (supposed to be 3 but I never see more than 1 at once) bumblebee dwarf cats.

So supposing the problem is phosphate from the well, what is the solution? Am I doomed to having to lug 10 gallon jugs of water home from the store every time I do a water change? And why did the tank look pristine for the first four months, with this problem only showing up in the last week or so? Would addition of substrate and direct planting, and more plants, return it to proper water appearance?

Ironically this tank is the one NOT in any sort of direct sunlight. The older one that I never had a problem with sits right in front of a window. This time of year the sun is too high in the sky to shine directly on it but lots of indirect light as you might expect. Window has no drape or shade on it as it faces nothing but woods and an abandoned cemetery so the gaze of passersby is not a factor. :)
 
Have been following this thread with interest as I got my first outbreak of what I suspect is green water about the time it started (although the water is not actually green so much as hazy-yellowish-foggy looking.)

I too am on well water and have had zero greenwater problems in my older tank, 10g/substrate-fairly heavily planted/heavy bioload. The newer tank is the one with the problem: also 10/g but no substrate, plants all in glasses or bound to driftwood in turn attached to rocks. Occupants, 4 tiger shrimp, 4 adult endlers, fluctuating numbers of endler fry and 1 (supposed to be 3 but I never see more than 1 at once) bumblebee dwarf cats.

So supposing the problem is phosphate from the well, what is the solution? Am I doomed to having to lug 10 gallon jugs of water home from the store every time I do a water change? And why did the tank look pristine for the first four months, with this problem only showing up in the last week or so? Would addition of substrate and direct planting, and more plants, return it to proper water appearance?

Ironically this tank is the one NOT in any sort of direct sunlight. The older one that I never had a problem with sits right in front of a window. This time of year the sun is too high in the sky to shine directly on it but lots of indirect light as you might expect. Window has no drape or shade on it as it faces nothing but woods and an abandoned cemetery so the gaze of passersby is not a factor. :)

I use this http://www.marinedepot.com/filter_media_two_little_fishies_phosban_hydrocarbon-ap.html

With a phosban in a phosban reactor listed on the same page ... the only thing I suggest if you use that ...have a ph buffer on hand on initial media break in.

As for water vs having other tanks. No way for me to tell why now and not prior. Well water and tap water can change without notice. Especially well water on what may leach into the well. Also even with water changes things build up..Phosphate ..nitrates... so even with your water changes. It is on the rise regardless ..so once in a while doing a 80% change needs to be done. And has been proven by testing in a water chemistry book. The gain of nitrate/phosphate per week vs whats taken out...eventually lead to needing once a blue moon large water changes. It is hard to say why 4 months later you had an outbreak. I can only guess. Over fed? Water went south? Bioload was too high before next water change? Dunno.

The drift wood could be releasing tannin into your water also givnig it the discoloration. Thats one other thing you could be dealing with.
I almost forgot about driftwood. Also drift wood could have some decay going on. I don't think its the main problem for you. Just something to consider about tannin. It does make the water discolored.

The phosphate and nitrate stuff I've been going over isn't just about green water... its mostly about dealing with cyano or algae in general.

There are multiple ways to go about your situation. using plants acts as refugium (sp?) in marine cases. We use plant life (differ way) as a nutrients export system. To keep phosphates down and nitrates. The fact your other tanks have lots of plants means they are most likely feeding on enough of the nutrients that the algae is being out eaten on the food supply. Thus keeping it nicer than the current. That is the only theory I have on that.

As for doomed to lug water.... I would say with bad outbreaks do a big water change with that pure water just to really slam those nitrate phosphate numbers down. Once done you can use phosban to keep the phosphates out....while using your current well water source.

So only in times of bad outbreaks you only have to lug jugs =). Is one avenue.

I didn't mean to open pandoras box here with the algae info really.:Angel:

I sometimes forget what I was like in FW....i didn't know this much about water till salt... This info i gave can be overwhelming ....so sorry about that.

If I can think of alternate solutions, I will let you know. You may want to fire off a general question about Well water and filtering suggestions in the marine forums. Maybe one of the guys/gals has some ideas.


Everything boils down to nutrients import and export for both FW and SW. You want to limit the import as much as possible. Rinsing frozen foods (juices contain phosphate), Feed lighter if you are heavy handed, using clean as possible water source. We can get assistance on the export by planted tanks and using media to pull out nutrients.

That is what I should emphasize here. The paragraph above. All this advise in this thread is all about nutrients exporting..be it using algone, carbon,phosban, pure water..etc etc...
 
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Both would work great, and might be good starter units, and might be best as ones first volley into UV. The external UV units require a powerhead to provide water flow through the filter, the ones you provided links to are totally self-contained and standalone units, perhaps perfect for the UV newbie.

Running one of these allows one to run higher nutrient levels in their tanks and gives them a running edge on plant growth and increases plant bloom for blooming plants. I noticed the gunner prefers the second unit you mention above. If you implement one, a UV unit, you will be rewarded in not having to micro-manage your tanks and free up more time for enjoyment of the tanks.
 
Both would work great, and might be good starter units, and might be best as ones first volley into UV. The external UV units require a powerhead to provide water flow through the filter, the ones you provided links to are totally self-contained and standalone units, perhaps perfect for the UV newbie.

Running one of these allows one to run higher nutrient levels in their tanks and gives them a running edge on plant growth and increases plant bloom for blooming plants. I noticed the gunner prefers the second unit you mention above. If you implement one, a UV unit, you will be rewarded in not having to micro-manage your tanks and free up more time for enjoyment of the tanks.

I'm all for UV since I read enough to support it has benefits to the water column and health of fish.

Really trying to not sound rude or come off rude here at all. I apologize now just in case. BUT.....

What I don't understand is how running UV can let you run higher nutrient levels? It doesn't remove dissolved organic compounds. So how does it allow you to run higher nutrient levels without impacting the fish? Please explain cause this is new to me.
 
What I don't understand is how running UV can let you run higher nutrient levels? It doesn't remove dissolved organic compounds. So how does it allow you to run higher nutrient levels without impacting the fish? Please explain cause this is new to me.

No problem.

UV, most certainly, does speed up the breakdown in of undissolved and dissolved organic wastes and compounds into their basic elements, i.e. plant nutrients. The UV does provide ionizing radiation to cause a rise in redox levels in the aquarium, at least part of this is caused by ozone production; this causes a less favorable condition for any algae present, whether in the water column itself, or even on aquarium surfaces; While this does not 'remove dissolved organic compounds' it breaks them down into forms which are highly desirable to the plants. All these side effects of UV swing general tank conditions to favor plants. Higher nutrient levels can be tolerated in the tank because growing conditions favoring the plants give them an edge on competing for nutrients.

While you can find arguments and discussions in abundance on the web and all sorts of points pro and con, I have never found anyone running and observing the effects of UV, first hand, on their tanks to dispute the beneficial effects. In fact, anyone I have ever had discussion with on UV knows the beneficial effects to be real and undeniable.

However, I would love to read or hear from someone who has failed to see improvements after installing UV and observing the results first hand.
 
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I thought I would post some pics of my tank and what happens when you let nitrates and phosphates go out of control. I recently moved and trimmed back all my plants so they haven't grown back in yet. I think I may have been adding too many ferts for the amount of plants I have. The tank was totally clean a week and a half ago. Time to start paying more attention to my parameters.

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Nitrates are ridiculously high
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Phosphate is ridiculously high
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Nitrates from Tap (well water)
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Phosphate from Tap (well water)
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Interesting. I use potassium nitrate to boost my nitrate levels to 30ppm, when they fall to 10-20ppm, I boost them up again. I add 1/4 potassium sulfate when boosting nitrate levels. I use a garden product made by Lilly Miller called 'Vitamin B1 Plant Starter' for boron, iron, manganese and zinc. On a 50% watter change on a 55g I dump in 15ml of the product. I get it at either lowes or homedepot and it costs about 5 buck a gallon. I use magnesium sulfate to boost gh. I use calcium hydroxide dissolved in hydrochloric acid to product calcium chloride and use it to boost kh. I add 1 drop of iodine a month to the 55g. I fight to keep my phosphorus levels below 3ppm. The tank gets 2-4 hours of direct east sun through the window behind the tank with the drapes pulled back, I do this on purpose. This is augmented by 4 x 100w 6500k cfl's which illuminate the tank 12-14 hours a day. This tank has been set up since February with these condition. Only hydrogen peroxide introduced into the water column has been used to control algae, a tip I picked up in the forums; I don't remember who recommended it. I do a 50% water change once a month and understand my routine may not work for everyone; I call it 'the lazy mans method.' Here is the tank:

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The flow rate through the 18W UV unit, on the tank, is shown here:

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Java moss is the main plant in the aquarium and a couple of closeups follow:

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The above pictures of the java moss are not good, reflecting the fact they are taken with my cell phone. But, you should be able to see there are green growing tips on each tendril of the moss. Sometimes these growing tips are showing 1/4 inch or more in length, to give you an idea of what accelerated growth rate can occur at times. That java moss started out as a baseball hardball size in the middle of march.

I am at a loss of why that kind of accelerated growth rate is not occurring in your tank and the algae is out competing the plants?

Is your UV unit plugged or experiencing a restricted flow though the unit? Is the bulb in working order?
 
You know, with the plants obviously not competing for nutrients, I find it strange the algae, given all those nutrients, are not doing a whole lot better. Makes me think there could be some other limiting factor at work. But, nothing leaps out as blatantly apparent.
 
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