Hardness and tds

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I'm trying to get an understanding of hardness and tds. I have a Hanna ph/tds combo meter and noticed the other day that when I checked tds, it was extremely high (1700+ in one tank). I then used a Red Sea hardness test and it showed that the water in the tank was soft (6 degree Gh and 5 degree Kh). I have an R/O filter and R/O right to treat water. Can this be correct?

Can someone explain this?
 
Total Dissolved Solids include dissolved organics (fish waste), and any fertilizers you'd use for a planted tank.
 
To expand with a bit more detail on OG's response: "hardness" or GH is a specific test of divalent cations (positively charged ions), and more specifically of calcium (Ca++) and magnesium (Mg++) ions, the two cations which affect soap bubble production in water. TDS is a measure of all ionic dissolved materials in the water, monovalent (as sodium, Na+), divalent (as mentioned), whatever; it includes both cations and anions (negatively charged ions: chloride, carbonate, nitrate, etc.). Anything ionic dissolved in the water will register on TDS, GH is quite specific and far more limited. But GH is the parameter commonly refered to when discussing source water for fish.

If you can get access to the February issue of TFH (Tropical Fish Hobbyist) magazine, there is an excellent introductory article on "The Ins & Outs of Osmosis" by Mark E. Evans which should be required reading for all hobbyists IMHO.
 
Nitrates in the tank that I tested are also high. So is the probable cause of the high tds?

I guess there is not substitution then for regular GH and KH tests then, correct?

Thanks again for the help.
 
Nitrates among all the other dissolved ionic materials for which we do not and someties cannot test all contribute to TDS.

GH is the parameter discussed when you talk about hard water or soft water fish. KH is the parameter you discuss when you are talking about buffering, the resistance to pH change. TDS is a measure of everything ionic in the water - if it is markedly different from your tap, you need more and larger water changes.
 
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