Healthy Angelfish with stuff hanging from his fins - keeps going away and coming back

Sorry to hear and do agree to some extent but will never make progress unless one keeps on trying. Besides, it only has been 2 -3 days. Ive done lot longer for my treasures, some even over yr for recovery. I dont usually give up that easily.:)

Wondering if main tank lost the power as well??

If this was my fish, I would went much further as this may be only way to learn and possibly prevent further occurences, not just for you but for other hobbyists as I found more images similar to that of what you're experiencing. Dont know if their symptoms appears and disappear on its own but what you may find could benefit many others. Bottom line, it's your call!

Any q/t should be given closer attention than main otherswise it becomes a morgue, at least from my experiences..

I am sure someone probably would have recomended some that one trust. Wait! come to think of it, there maybe a way. Contact Aquavet @ Cornell/U. Penn Veterinary Medicine. I dont know if they will respond back with any useful/helpful info without any actual samples(fish) but may at least give you educated guesses??
I am confident there are other universities with similar/same Grad programs. Perhaps one of many institutions will take a time to respond to your request. Please post if any responds.:tropicalfish: :tropicalfish:

Dont feel discouraged ! How often does fuse blow? As they say, Failure is mother of success!!!!! Well, only if one keep at it and learns from such.
Besides, thx to thread like this, at least it keeps me on my toes or forces me thru reviewing/refreshing what I may have forgotten otherwise never wouldve done.

Darn! Shouldve went into Aqua Vet field when I had the chance but what you gonna do? life goes on:cheers:

Good luck whatever you decide to do!
 
Sorry to hear and do agree to some extent but will never make progress unless one keeps on trying. Besides, it only has been 2 -3 days. Ive done lot longer for my treasures, some even over yr for recovery. I dont usually give up that easily.

I appreciate the support, advice, and well wishes - I haven't given up, I realized using the Q/T in this situation didn't help, possibly made it worse, and I'm not going to continue treating something that has resisted everything I've thrown at it for fear of killing the fish by stress. The instructions dictate 4 days of treatment - so 3 days should have shown some progress... I'm even willing to push it to 6, but any further is a waste of medication and more stress on the fish.

Wondering if main tank lost the power as well??
As far as I can tell no, the fuse would have had to be reset.

If this was my fish, I would went much further as this may be only way to learn and possibly prevent further occurences, not just for you but for other hobbyists as I found more images similar to that of what you're experiencing. Dont know if their symptoms appears and disappear on its own but what you may find could benefit many others. Bottom line, it's your call!

Please elaborate on "further" - I think I've done quite a lot, this thread started in 2010 - So please elaborate :confused:

I posted this thread originally to get help and to help others who could run into something like this - but based on the fact that the thread has become a conversation between us I can safely assume that no one knows what it is - I'm not even sure if anyone else is following this thread for that matter - and since it comes and goes regardless of what medication I use or not use - I'm kind of at a loss to as to the logic to put the relatively happy fish through more stress unless I have a good idea of what this is.... That would be cruel.

The fish was happy in the main tank, the infection would wax and wane on it's own. As as far as I can tell none of the other fish, including 3 other angelfish, show symptoms.

The QT should be used short term, not a place where I toss the fish and keep it to test medications - that is cruel and a guarantee it will end up dead.

I understand that it Q/T can be effective at preventing the spread of a disease and assist in treatment - but this has been in my tank exposed to my fish for 6 months plus - If it were contagious it would have spread - yet as far as I can tell none are sick.

On to the next reason to Q/T - Treatment with potentially dangerous drugs - Well if this stuff is floating around my main tank I should eradicate it there as well - Otherwise once I place the cured angelfish back in the main tank, it will get reinfected... None of the drugs I've used Maracyn Plus or Furan-2 requires a QT. Maracyn Plus had no noticeable effect on my tank's water quality - I was testing the water.

Which leaves me with the following logic: If someone can give me another idea of what this is, preferably with examples - I'm game to try. Short of that, I will not blindly treat the poor fish with random medication in a QT that is too small to house the fish normally.

Furthermore this thread has been just you and I for quite some time - I really appreciate your help, and that of a few other people who've tried, but I suspect no one knows what this is - which is why I asked if there was a vet you, or someone, could recommend - they may know what it is.

I'll keep updating the thread, but I stand by my statement that the Q/T was a bad idea considering the fish is now in worse shape than it ever was in the main, and that's with the addition of a strong medication...

You should have become a vet - then you could have helped me and charged $200:eek: haha...

Cerianthus said:
Sorry to hear and do agree to some extent but will never make progress unless one keeps on trying. Besides, it only has been 2 -3 days. Ive done lot longer for my treasures, some even over yr for recovery. I dont usually give up that easily.:)

Wondering if main tank lost the power as well??

If this was my fish, I would went much further as this may be only way to learn and possibly prevent further occurences, not just for you but for other hobbyists as I found more images similar to that of what you're experiencing. Dont know if their symptoms appears and disappear on its own but what you may find could benefit many others. Bottom line, it's your call!

Any q/t should be given closer attention than main otherswise it becomes a morgue, at least from my experiences..

I am sure someone probably would have recomended some that one trust. Wait! come to think of it, there maybe a way. Contact Aquavet @ Cornell/U. Penn Veterinary Medicine. I dont know if they will respond back with any useful/helpful info without any actual samples(fish) but may at least give you educated guesses??
I am confident there are other universities with similar/same Grad programs. Perhaps one of many institutions will take a time to respond to your request. Please post if any responds.:tropicalfish: :tropicalfish:

Dont feel discouraged ! How often does fuse blow? As they say, Failure is mother of success!!!!! Well, only if one keep at it and learns from such.
Besides, thx to thread like this, at least it keeps me on my toes or forces me thru reviewing/refreshing what I may have forgotten otherwise never wouldve done.

Darn! Shouldve went into Aqua Vet field when I had the chance but what you gonna do? life goes on:cheers:

Good luck whatever you decide to do!
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Update

Update (Quarantine Day Four)
Last day of treatment per boxed instructions (we can repeat another 2 day dose if necessary). I went to bed last night feeling horrible for the angel, expecting worse this morning...

I woke up and she had only one lesion left! I also noticed she was shaking the affected pelvic fin, like she was trying get it off (If you have ever had a cat/dog and put a bag on it's foot, you'll know what I mean :p:)
Either I'm eating crow and the treatment worked or it's going away on it's own - like it normally does. (time will tell)
As usual, she seemed lively, followed me when I came up to the tank to take a picture - I fed her, she gobbled up the micro pellets and flakes (I feed her a few micro pellets and 3 flakes for example). I checked the water conditions.

Water Conditions
Ammonia:0
Nitrite:0.25
Nitrate:5-10
pH:7.2

ACK! Nitrites: Not shocking, it's a nearly full grown angelfish in a 10 gallon tank (too small) with very little beneficial bacteria (no substrate and strong antibacterial drugs). I started preparing water for a water change to deal with the nitrite.

I came back and in the 30 minutes it took me to have my AM coffee, feed the other fish, and complete the water condition test, the last spot had disappeared!
There were a few pieces of poop on the bottom of the tank, but I found the lesion... It's fluffy and dark, round in size. I used a test tube to collect it (picture attached). Popped it into the freezer - If I can find a vet or lab I'm going to have them look at it.

Again there are two possibilities:

  1. It's cured.
  2. It went away on it's own.

Did the water change (25%) and added another packet of Furan-2
I am now at the office, I'll check the water conditions when I get home. I hope this stuff is gone.

Please see the videos (1st one is when I first woke up, 2nd is when I came back to change the water and discovered the lesion had fell off) I forgot to mention, all the videos are in 720P HD - You can increase the resolution over the standard Youtube 360P

[video=youtube;5knDEKS0H-I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5knDEKS0H-I[/video]
[video=youtube;1XusYBmdEZw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XusYBmdEZw[/video]

For some reason I cannot upload the images from work (I get an error saying upload failed) I will try to upload an image of the specimen later.
 
Looking forward to it and hope this is last tackle you need to take to eradicate causes for good.

Wasnt really concerned with any possible NH3 at your pH (bit higher than main perhaps due to no CO2 inject in q/t, not that I recommend) but was bit concerned for possible NO2 presence since you said youve used water from established tank and were feeding well. Perhaps small mini cycle.

I normally dont feed during short treatment but not always.

Dont think you would loose/lost BB as NO NH3 (perhaps there was some earlier) but NO2 presence dictates NH3-oxidizers are present. I believe Furan-2 claims it wont hurt BB but again there maybe other factors which can influence such.


Wondering if I can send your images to facilities, not that any would respond or even provide possibilities??? Since your vid, want to make sure what your thoughts are?
 
Looking forward to it and hope this is last tackle you need to take to eradicate causes for good, whatever it/they maybe!!!.

Wasnt really concerned with any possible NH3 at your pH (bit higher than main perhaps due to no CO2 inject in q/t, not that I recommend) but was bit concerned for possible NO2 presence since you said youve used water from established tank and were feeding well. Perhaps middle of small mini cycle??
I normally dont feed during short treatment but not always.

Dont think you would loose/lost BB as NO oresence of NH3 (perhaps there was some earlier) but NO2 presence dictates NH3-oxidizers are present. I believe Furan-2 claims it wont hurt BB but again there maybe other factors which can influence such.

btw, although seems a volley b/n you & I, check how many actually just viewed this thread. Even if only one can benefit from a thread, worth the effort, imho. Main reason for existence of any fish forum???:)

Wondering if I can send your images to facilities, not that they can provide possibilities or even if any would respond???
Since your vid, want to make sure what your thoughts are?
 
Me too :) I'll know more when I get home, and over the weekend.

Wasnt really concerned with any possible NH3 at your pH (bit higher than main perhaps due to no CO2 inject in q/t, not that I recommend) but was bit concerned for possible NO2 presence since you said youve used water from established tank and were feeding well. Perhaps small mini cycle.

I normally dont feed during short treatment but not always.

Yup, I agree - it's probably a mini-cycle. I'm doing water changes to deal with the NO2. I would stop feeding her but I use it to gauge if she's feeling okay - The one angel I lost last year due to bullying stopped eating and it was a downward spiral from there. I'll feed less and do daily water changes till this is done.


Dont think you would loose/lost BB as NO NH3 (perhaps there was some earlier) but NO2 presence dictates NH3-oxidizers are present. I believe Furan-2 claims it wont hurt BB but again there maybe other factors which can influence such.

I didn't either, but the tests are consistent - I hope she wont be in the QT much longer - I'm using the fact that she seems lively and like most angels - H U N G R Y...

I will send them images, videos, and details. I've saved the fuzzy lesion that fell off in a test tube. If they want to look at it, I'll send it as well... I am having problems uploading at work so I'll post a high res image - I hope someone has seen this before.

If this infection comes back (like it's done in the past) I have a possibility - I did a little research last night - I think it may be Lymphocystis. The symptoms are similar - comes and goes on it's own based on water quality. Viral - no antibiotics seem to work. The only issue is that the lesions look nothing like the images or the description. Furthermore It's highly contagious, yet no other fish has present any symptoms, including the 3 other angles (and the previous angels I gave away).
 
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btw, although seems a volley b/n you & I, check how many actually just viewed this thread. Even if only one can benefit from a thread, worth the effort, imho. Main reason for existence of any fish forum???:)

Yup, until someone else has this issue... I would love to find out if the breeder has seen this with his breeding pairs and fry. I may ask the LFS where I purchased the beastie...

I normally dont feed during short treatment but not always.

LOL, I'm weak... My friend's dogs all know me... I am the one that loves feeding them :cool:
 
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