Help!!! Emergency!

Rock said:
Holy poop batman! I'm right again!

What kind of salt did you use? chemical composition of the salt? What was the ph of the tank at the time that you treated with the midas? What was the water temperature? What was the exact ammonia concentration? What was the exact nitrite concentration? What was the exact nitrate concentration? Btw ppm will do, also don't tell that your ammonia and nitrite were zero because that is impossible. What was the kh and gh of the tank. How often did you do water changes? was the gravel vacummed regularly? What infection did the midas have? Did you confirm this by using a microscope? Was the midas suffering a genetic condition? was this cofirmed by studying the genetics of the midas parents? If you can answer all of that and come to the assumption that it was the salt that caused your fish to worsen then I think you could make a statement that salt was main contributing factor to the midas condition becoming worse.
If not , I suggest you stop making assumptions based on half truths of what you have read and what you think people have said. The fact is that salt works and has been proven by many reputable scientists and aquarist alike, not only that ordinary table salt is perfectly safe to use in freshwater aquariums.
 
Just as a side note to you "Rock"...your just what this forum needs. But back to the salt issue, I successfully treated fungas with salt. I used 1 teaspoon per galloon for a two week period. As for dropsy I had a fish that died from dropsy as it pineconed immediatly before I could begin treatment.
 
"What kind of salt did you use? chemical composition of the salt? What was the ph of the tank at the time that you treated with the midas? What was the water temperature? What was the exact ammonia concentration? What was the exact nitrite concentration? What was the exact nitrate concentration? Btw ppm will do, also don't tell that your ammonia and nitrite were zero because that is impossible. What was the kh and gh of the tank. How often did you do water changes? was the gravel vacummed regularly? What infection did the midas have? Did you confirm this by using a microscope? Was the midas suffering a genetic condition? was this cofirmed by studying the genetics of the midas parents? If you can answer all of that and come to the assumption that it was the salt that caused your fish to worsen then I think you could make a statement that salt was main contributing factor to the midas condition becoming worse.
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Dunno, I'm not a geek. But did I have to know? No.. this is the first fish I've ever had to get sick in 4 years.. and I treated it. And now he's healthy and happy. Oh, my "Water change" IS a weekly Gravel siphoning. Midas had body fungas, it's a very obvious disease. And about 5 minutes after adding half the salt I was suppose to, the midas start breathing harder and went to the top. He just got worse. I did a 50% water change (yes that does remove the salt.. partially. And guess what, he's normal. I "Think" lol.. that that's proof enough. :clap:

Oh yes.. who are you and why are you bashing me? :cool:
 
Actually rock, table salt is fine. What you have heard is people stating many incorrect myths over and over again. It's pretty common in this hobby. People who know science have written many articles on this and the amount of iodine in salt is negligible. I honestly dislike salt for dropsy, which is why in my first post to this thread I suggested an antibacterial treatment if the OP really felt this was bacterial. Anyway, for the skinny on Iodine in table salt, please check out this quote and if you've got a few minutes, read the whole article. RTR happens to post on these boards and also happens to have been in this hobby a long, long time. Here's the quote:
RTR said:
Iodine is a halogen, and is required for vertebrates. It is necessary for our metabolism as an essential part of thyroid hormone, which is our metabolic pacemaker. Soils in wide areas of this country are deficient in iodine, and can result in goiter (hypertrophy of the thyroid gland, effectively from insufficient iodine intake). Thus the practice arose of adding iodine to salt intended for human consumption. This was the safest (the levels of iodine are minute) and surest way of protecting the population from this deficiency as salt is ubiquitous (all but universal) in food processing and preparation. The levels of iodine added to table salt are so small that any water-living vertebrate would be pickled in brine well before toxic concentrations of iodine could be reached, so that particular urban myth is without foundation. In fact, a number of our tank inhabitants need iodine- most crustaceans have a significant demand for the material, and a number of fish can develop goiter in captivity from the lack of iodine- African Rift Lake fish seem especially prone to this. The often-discussed toxicity of iodine could be considered urban myth #1.
Here's the link to the whole article.
As to your Midas, it is very rare for a fish to be distressed about mild levels of salinity. If you had read the whole article to which I linked before, from the Skeptical Aquarist, you'd have learned that most fish tolerate a salt bath very well. Again, I was not suggesting it, merely telling the OP who felt that was wht was needed how to do it. Also in reading the article you'd have seen various sources quoted, one being someone who works in an aquarium for a living who said they give ALL of their freshwater fish a prophylactic bath at full salinity for ten minutes and that they all seemed to tolerate it. Also, had you read, you'd have seen directions for how to give a salt bath and warnings regarding heavy breathing and the like and what to do. Anyway, I'm not knocking you or your experience, I am simply letting you know it seems to be the exception and not the norm while at the same time encouraging you to read up on all aspects of aquaria from reliable sources because it will help not only yourself, but those you choose to advise on these boards.

One more thing. Not knowing what was in your salt could have been what caused the reaction in your fish. Keep in mind that if it was aquarium salt, it very well could have changed the pH rapidly, which can shock the fish. You see, this is why table salt, even iodized is superior to marine aquarium salt. It mentions that in one of the articles to which I have linked. Best of luck.
 
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Rock said:


Dunno, I'm not a geek. But did I have to know? No.. this is the first fish I've ever had to get sick in 4 years.. and I treated it. And now he's healthy and happy. Oh, my "Water change" IS a weekly Gravel siphoning. Midas had body fungas, it's a very obvious disease. And about 5 minutes after adding half the salt I was suppose to, the midas start breathing harder and went to the top. He just got worse. I did a 50% water change (yes that does remove the salt.. partially. And guess what, he's normal. I "Think" lol.. that that's proof enough. :clap:

Oh yes.. who are you and why are you bashing me? :cool:


Unfortunately you do need to know, b/c if it was aquarium salt that you used or a salt that had buffers in it, that will affect the ph almost instantly and doing that will just further stress your already ailing midas, hence the strange behaviour 5 minutes after adding salt. Then you doing a water change would have taken out some of the buffers and brought the ph back down to a level that was acceptable for your midas at the time. This senario could have actualy been your problem. I suggest you read the rest of the article that Harlock has provided. I also suggest you find out as to why your midas got sick in the first, 9 times out of 10 it is due to water quality, and if that was in fact the case, then I suggest you look at your maintenance routine. Btw I am not "bashing" you as you put it, but merely pointing out that there are other factors involved in fish taking a turn for the worse other than pointing to the obvious scape goat. We value everbodys opinion, but if you are going to make a statement like you said, it would be good if you could have the evidence to back it up.
Btw it is not important as to who I am , what is important is that the correct facts are brought forward so as the person seeking help can make an educated decision on how he or she should treat their fish. :)
 
ok update...
She died today :sad: . treating the other tank with salt. noone else shows any signs but now one is clamping her back tail fin :sick: . OMG. Anyway and advice on her??? and thanks to everyone. :huh:
 
Harlock, thanks for not being immature like some. It's actually Rock salt.. which what I was told is ordinary table salt. And, it was the only shot I had.
 
So sorry to hear obout ur fish! :'( i just lost 2 gold fish that i've had for 6 years! they died because of some sort of red spot and bubble in fin diesease? does any 1 no wut that is? sorry im a little off topic. so sorry about ur fish!
 
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