Help: Odd Substance on ADF's Foot, Should I be concerned?

If this is chytrid, and it does appear to be, here is some information from the "Flippers 'N' Fins" site that discusses treating this. I'm so sorry that you're having this to deal with. I have two ADFs and have dreaded this possibility, but so far my frogs are healthy and I've had them for over a year.

Here's the info:

"IF you wish to try this treatment,
here is the technique. This successful technique was developed in a
scientific study done by Groff-1991
Read it here! (pdf file)
We simplified it so anyone can do it for their frogs,
without risk of fudging things up.

Note:
If you are doing this technique,
it is very important that all frogs in the same tank be treated,
not just the ones showing symptoms. A frog can be infected by Chytrid
and not show any symptoms til it is too late.
It is important as well that the tank and tank accessories that were
used for the tank be nuked with Bleach to kill any spores that remain in the water (see technique in the above post).
Gravel and plants should be thrown away.
The frogs cannot go back into this tank until treatment is over and the tank has been completely cleaned, as to minimize reinfection.
The spores that transmit this fungus can live in the water without a host for up to 7 weeks, so this is very important.


Things to get!
1. Benzalkonium Chloride at a 50% dilution.
You can get it at National fish Pharmacy.com or fishyfarmacy.com
You can get a 50% for $20 plus shipping.

2. 2 measuring syringes(no needles needed)
One can get them at a drug store.
You'll need a 60 ml syringe, and a 1 ml syringe.
If it says "cc" that's the same as "ml".

3. Distilled water (gallon)

4. a container to store the final mixture

5. A few gallons of a Spring water brand,
one that matches closest to your tank's ph.
(Ph around 7 or higher is recommended.
Do not use Distilled/deionized water for the baths, as it is VERY soft,
and can amplify the BC's potency to toxic levels)

6. A measuring cup that measures in liters

7. A few containers for the baths, I used a 1 gallon bucket, and some new tupperware containers which never had soap used on them.

8. A Hospital tank at 2-3 gallons per frog.


And really, just for your info,
the baths are so mild, it's a very low risk thing, IMO.
My frogs amplexed thru the whole thing.
They were not affected negatively in ANY WAY.
No thickening of skin, not freaking out...
This treatment is less extreme than Maroxy or Maracyn 2 by a long shot.


Making a 1% solution from the 50% solution:
1.You take 49 ml of distilled water,
put it in a container (I used a new clean travel shampoo bottle sold at Walgreens, it's empty, never had shampoo in it)

2. Then take 1 ml of 50% BC. Put it in the container.
Then you have 1% BC solution.
(Clean out your 1cc syringe with distilled water after this to remove any residue of the BC)

DONE!!!!!!!!


The BC procedure for Chytrid in ADFs
1. Take the spring water with a ph closest to yours,
then measure out whatever amount you find easiest by liters.
(preferably 2-4 liters) DO NOT USE TAP WATER FOR THE BATHS

NOTE Low ph or very soft water should be avoided when giving these baths, as Benzalkonium Chloride is more toxic in this case.
ONLY use a 7.0 or higher spring water for the baths


2. Heat the water to the same temperature as
the water the frogs are in.

3. Add .2ml of the 1% BC per liter of water (you would measure it out in the 1ml syringe)

NOTE:
In example: I used Crystal Geyser for mine (ph 7.6 at the time), did baths of 2 liters,
because that was the minimum height the heater would fit in the container.
I did my baths in a bucket.
So, I added .4 ml of 1%BC to the 2 liters. (.2ml per liter)
I would have added .8 ml 1%BC to 4 liters, etc.....

4. Place the the frogs in the bath for 30 minutes

5. Use another container with some fresh same temp treated tap water as a rinse off station. Place the frogs in that for a minute or 2.
This is just to rinse off more of the chemical before putting them back in a tank.

6. Then they go back into a clean HT non cycled tank, (at least a few gallons), with no substrate,
I would replace the water with every bath.

You give 3 baths (do one every other day for 6 days), then wait 8 days, then give 3 more baths (a bath every other day for 6 more days)

In example:
Days 1, 3, 5: Bath
Day 6-13: No Bath
Days 14, 16, 18: Bath

That's it!
I was nervous at first, but I've done it on 2 groups of frogs,
and have had the same experience.
Frogs thrive, no bad experiences.

"Again, we at FnF can not take any responsibility if you wish to try this,
but we have had success saving African Dwarf frogs infected by Chytrid by
using this technique. Do this procedure at your own risk.
If you want to try it, just post and we can walk you thru it."


(End of article)



If you are successful and your frogs survive this, one point I've learned in my research is that the fungus likes cooler temperatures to develop. Keeping the frogs water at 78 degrees or higher (within their comfort range) helps to prevent the development of chytrid.

I've kept my tank always at 78 or 80 degrees and hope that I never have to deal with this terrible illness. Best wishes to you, I hope you can save your frogs.
 
Thanks for the info. I've read about that treatment in the past and it apparently does have some success associated with it (again, did a lot of research on Chytrid when I lost those 2 frogs before).

That being said, I'm rather wary of calling it Chytrid. Yes it does look like what some Chytrid looks like, but again she's not showing any of the other symptoms. And there is no place from which Chytrid could have been introduced into the tank in the recent past (and Chytrid wouldn't stay dormant in the frogs for 4+ months, so...). As MSJ said, it could very easily be some other type of bacteria.

MSJ, how often do I add the salt? And if I'm going to see it having an effect, about what window of time would that occur in?
 
So the fungus seems to be going away but the poor frog's leg is a mess. the webbing in her foot seems to be completely destroyed and it looks like the fungus ate away a lot of the flesh (to the point that it looks like some of the small bones in her leg are exposed).

is there anything I can do? :confused:
 
My ADF died from fungus, back when I hadn't gone through my intense research phase. I would just dose pimafix to promote healing, and prevent the fungus from coming back during the healing process. My other ADFs did fine when I did that. Good luck!
 
as long as its feeding ok and getting around, just keep doing what you are doing. Replace teh salt for teh volume removed at water changes until the fungus has been gone. Hopefully it will be ok. Chytrid usually kills without much improvement, this still sounds to me like a secondary issue.
 
I agree... chytrid would have a different course and outcome. I hope she will be OK.
 
she didn't make it :cry:

I had to go back home for the weekend and came back to find her pretty much consumed by whatever fungus it was. i really thought she was taking a turn for the better, but there definitely was a lot of damage already. apparently it was just too much :(

I still have another frog in that tank. he's not showing any signs of the fungus, but I'm still wary of putting him back in my main tank. should I be concerned or can I add him in with my other fish?
 
I'm so sorry

Oh, DGalt, I'm so very sorry for your loss. :( I have two little ADFs that I"ve had for over a year and I'm very attached to them. I know how sad you must feel. I'm so sorry. :tombstone:
 
One thing I've read about chytrid. It doesn't like temperatures of 78 or more. I would move the frog into a temporary tank, a rubbermaid or sterilite container with a heater and filter, and sterilize the tank they were in.

Then I would put her back in the tank and keep the heat up in hopes that you can prevent this. Jinks recommended methylene blue, and I would treat with that prophylactically.

Chytrid is wicked contageous. I don't know how this one can escape this unless you jump into action. Heat... I'm sure that will help. Chytrid likes cooler temperatures.
 
from my understanding Chytrid doesn't do much to fish, just to amphibians (has something to do with the material that makes up their skin / scales).

but it didn't look like Chytrid at all, at least not at the end. my tank is at 80F anyway (not the one the frog is currently in, but my main tank).
 
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