HELP sick oranda + dead shrimp!

I can't think of a single disease, parasite, or other infection that would cause a fish to become so sick overnight that a portion of it's body would literally fall off.

5 shrimp died in your tank on, or shortly after, introduction to the water. Your oranda exhibits disease symptoms with no outwardly discernable cause. Your bio-load and tank size are incompatible. Clearly the cause of this was a water issue.

You have now done a 100% water change, so the parameters of the water that caused the deaths and illness is moot. In instituting a 100% water change and scrubbing all ornaments you have disrupted the cycle. If this has been your water change procedure for the life of the tank, then again, it's a moot point as it would not have allowed for a cycle to ever have been completed.

You have been given the best and most clear advice already. I am not criticizing you or trying to be condescending in any way. To reiterate:

i was actually in the process of cycling a bigger tank
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1) Although you haven't indicated the size, it would have to be better than the current tank. Move the goldfish, oranda, and moor into it as soon as feasible. Seriously consider finding alternate homes for these fish.

i knew someone would say that/thanks anyways.
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2) Be less defensive when reading the sound advice that you, after all, asked for. If you knew someone would bring it up, then you also know why they would do so. If you shoose to ignore the advice, then there's no need to be snotty when doing so.

60 gallon tank with 3 tiny fish/the guppies do fine in there/they have all been in that size tank for a long time
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3) Become informed about the needs of your animals. Those 3 tiny fish, if allowed to flourish, will dwarf a 60 gallon. Being fine and doing well are two different things.

"i take good care of my fish-i feed them a variety of foods, heal them when they are sick, make sure water parameters are similar to those in their natural habitat, change the water, and i take care that larger fish do not pick on them."
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4. Yes, actually, although you were being sarcastic, these are exactly the types of things a good hobbyist does. From your initial post there is no indication that you do any of these things, only that you let them eat shrimp that may be diseased, that you overcrowd beyond any conceivably acceptable limit, that you make no attempt to test or monitor water parameters when you know that you should more than most and when you have the means to do so, that you keep multiple species that require different temperatures and environments together, that you inhibit the necessary cycle to keep the tank going, and that you do let the larger fish (aranda, et al) harass the smaller fish (guppies).

You honestly needed help, you asked.
We honestly wanted to help, we answered. If you didn't like the answers that is not the fault of those that tried to help.
 
Excellent advice Traci!

My parents knew very little about fish keeping, but they always let us have some when we were kids. As little as they knew, they would never let us mix goldfish and tropical fish. They said they weren't sure why, just don't do it. As a biologist and a person who has had goldfish for the last 12 years, I know it's because of the completely different water conditions needed for happy fish. A responsible person wants happy fish!

BTW, I had a 45 gallon tank with 2 large and happy orandas, and it looked great!
 
I've seen these people before on other forums. Anyone with just a LITTLE experience on fish forums will agree with me. This person wanted justification for why the fish are in these conditions. At this point, it does not seem like the poster WANTS help. Too bad... but the world is filled with ignorance. :rolleyes:
 
Yes this is so. On the predatoryfish.net board there is a woman cussing people out for commenting on the fact that she has a 29g housing a gar and now shes gone a bought a pacu. Lovely.

I've been posting about a year now. I inherited a tank at work, knew nothing about cycling, cleaning, feeding, parameters, and could seem to keep much but an algae eater and a spotted raphael cat and far too many pond snails alive. Now I know that the survivor fish were both impossibly stunted from living in an 18g high for over 4 years. The CAE died, and the cat found a much better home (a 55).

Now that tank is moderately planted (fake and real) filled in with nice driftwood, and home to 5 cute little dwarf puffers, a singapore shrimp, and a couple of otos. It's a happy tank.

And at home I have 30g long, a 10g, and a 5 g, all in good and healthy shape.

And I owe it all to OrionGirl and all the other helpful souls on Aquariacentral, whose advise I actually took gracefully!
 
Yes, and look at you now. You are a perfect example of what can happen to someone who listens to people who are more experienced.... rather than debating with them what you no nothing about, yet claim they are the confused one. I feel like I've been told I dont know what I am talking about, by this 'jacblades' person. Does he/she expect us to ignore the facts? :shake:
 
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I am not criticizing you or trying to be condescending in any way
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then dont criticize me or be condescending.

Seriously consider finding alternate homes for these fish.
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no.

If you didn't like the answers that is not the fault of those that tried to help.
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people who are trying to help, or trying to prove they are superior fishkeepers?

4. Yes, actually, although you were being sarcastic, these are exactly the types of things a good hobbyist does. From your initial post there is no indication that you do any of these things, only that you let them eat shrimp that may be diseased, that you overcrowd beyond any conceivably acceptable limit, that you make no attempt to test or monitor water parameters when you know that you should more than most and when you have the means to do so, that you keep multiple species that require different temperatures and environments together, that you inhibit the necessary cycle to keep the tank going, and that you do let the larger fish (aranda, et al) harass the smaller fish (guppies).
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actually i do all of the things things i stated before-which is why i have not lost a fish in over a year. when was the last time you killed a fish? probably within the last year. at least.

i never post on internet forums because everyone thinks they know it all and can easily act like they do behind a computer screen. i thought i would this time because my fish are important to me and i needed help. i recieved no helpful info THANK YOU IF YOU SINCERELY TRIED THOUGH!!!! i should have stated to begin with that it was not the water. BUT I WILL SURE KNOW TO TEST NEXT TIME TO PROVE IT!
i buy my shrimp from the same store every time and this is the only time i have had problems.
I feel like I've been told I dont know what I am talking about, by this 'jacblades' person.
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you were rude to me so i snapped back at you. maybe if you had been nice, i wouldnt have snapped back at you. you may not know what youre talking about. but then again-you may. i cant tell when you are being a poopoohead.

i also think it funny that no one argued with me about the nature of the hobby. maybe because you all know this and dont have right to be criticizing anyways?

and if anyone cares-my oranda is doing well in quarantine with the kanacyn. my other fish are excellent too-but im still waiting a bit longer till i put them in the 10. thanks!
 
I'm glad to hear that the oranda is doing well.

I hope people can cool down a little. Part of the deal with boards like this is that people can give constructive criticism. That means they can speak out if methods look like they won't be successful. But the judgement should be reserved for the methods, not the fishkeeper. This board is about ideas, knowledge and experience, not flames.

On the other hand, if you ask a question be ready to deal with an answer you don't like. I have been keeping fish longer than most of you have been alive, and have tried a lot of aquatic experiments that would certainly invite flames. I gave an opinion, and you can take it, leave it, or rebut it, just don't get mad.

It's friday night, I want to go home. Let's be nice.
 
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