how to treat ick with salt and heat?

[Paccula]

What is being explained is that a salt dip, dipping the fish in a salt bath, is not effective at removing ICH from a tank. The parasite can only be killed while it's free floating/looking for a host. In order for any treatment to be effective against ich, the whole tank must be treated.

oh, I realize that salt-bathing a fish would not remove the ich from the tank. I have just had fish that were totaly covered in the parasites, and looked very uncomftorable about it. I thought that if the bath would remove those ich, the fish would be less stressed, and recover faster. of course I would treat the entire tank as well

 

[daveedka]

All of the research i have done indicates that ich is virtually untouchable while on the fish.Therefore the salt bath would be inneffective unless it could somehow cause the parasites to fall off prematurely. I questioned it on that grounds, in case there was something new to learn with this idea. It would seem that the salt water dip will have no real effect on the ich, So no reason to put your fish through it.
dave

 

[Sponge Bob]

Well, I suppose you could get a couple of dozen neon try an ld50 with salt and quick cure... hmmm. Probably not likely anyone on the list wants to do that.

So other than that I wouldn't really totally disregard (or claim to be false and misleading) the experience of long term forum members. Ich can and will stay in the tank long term, often without any overtly obvious signs of it's presence, only to suddenly 'reappear' in force during some period of stress brought about perhaps by some other change in the tank.

I had ich on some newly introduced fish in the tank recently and I'm not about to claim that my methods have totally erradicated it from the tank already, even though I haven't seen any signs for a couple of weeks.

Amosf, I wouldn't have posted that unless I was 100% sure of what I was saying. For your information, the ICH problem that I had occured in September. I treated the tank with QuICK Cure for 3 days. Since then, like I said, the ICK never came back. Furthermore, I've since bought 2 other tanks and used the filter media and the gravel of the cured tank to kick start my new tanks. Still no ich.

So, back to your statement. I'm sorry buddy but it is false and misleading. I am ( my fish ) the living proof of it.

One last comment, and it's not personnally aimed at you because it seems to be a general trend in here and other forums as well. I'm refering to the "long time members". I'm sorry but the fact that someone has been a member of a forum for years doesn't make him/her a specialist of anything. On the same line of thinking, a new member is not necessarily a newbie with no experience and/or knowledge. I will gladly receive an intelligent suggestion from a newbie of the forum than to receive non-sense from a long time member. In fact, I don't give a neon's poop about how much time ppl have been a member here. I read and consider all the posts, regardless of who it is from and the time they've been here.

No hard feelings,

SB

 

[amosf]

Amosf, I wouldn't have posted that unless I was 100% sure of what I was saying. For your information, the ICH problem that I had occured in September. I treated the tank with QuICK Cure for 3 days. Since then, like I said, the ICK never came back. Furthermore, I've since bought 2 other tanks and used the filter media and the gravel of the cured tank to kick start my new tanks. Still no ich.

I'm not saying the treatment doesn't work, but it's early days yet. That's like only three months! Many of us have gone through this and know that these things can appear to be eradicated for long periods only to show up at a later date. The ich has been there all the time, but it does not always show up as an obvious sign on the fish. I treated for ich recently, but I am not about to claim that I am 100% sure it is completely gone. That would just be a blind guess.

One last comment, and it's not personnally aimed at you because it seems to be a general trend in here and other forums as well. I'm refering to the "long time members". I'm sorry but the fact that someone has been a member of a forum for years doesn't make him/her a specialist of anything. On the same line of thinking, a new member is not necessarily a newbie with no experience and/or knowledge. I will gladly receive an intelligent suggestion from a newbie of the forum than to receive non-sense from a long time member. In fact, I don't give a neon's poop about how much time ppl have been a member here. I read and consider all the posts, regardless of who it is from and the time they've been here.

Sure. I'm new here but I have been keeping fish off and on for over 25 years. That doesn't particularly mean I know anything either, but it doesn't take too much to get a sense of those that do have some knowlege. Even then there is always a variety of opinion on any given subject. But long term members of forums do tend to have a good deal of knowlege and experience of a variety of methods and have dicussed these with a large number of people over a long period of time and this helps them get a good overall picture of the situation. It may not make it right, or make it the one and only solution, but it shouldn't be simply disregarded as false or misleading without some evidence. And you need more evidence than "this is the method that works for me and I'm 100% sure the ich is gone"... you don't even really know that for sure.

So sure, no hard feelings. I've been on forums and email since such a thing existed (well, from BBS days). You'd be doing well to offend me.

 

[russjet]

i have had two experiences with ich both on neons

for me the salt didnt work and i was dubious about using it for a second time
as all my neons died
i think the cycle process amy have been more responsible for their death but that is from what this forum has taught me

i used meds at half dose second time around and this worked well for me possibly due to more stable tank

but all research on other sites says the life cycle of ich is too long to be properly killed off in three days

i would not disregard this as hogwash purely on the grounds of having no signs of it on my fish

i would be worried that if my tank had any element of water quality problems or anything else to stress my fish that it would return as it has been found that in a healthy improperly treated tank that it will live unseen in the gills of fish and return when there is stress in the tank.

i have found that most people here put their experience here to help others not to make their opinion the only way that works and everyone else is false

i have received good advice and have never been berated for using meds over salt

if you dont like someones advice post your own dont attack theirs it may be what works for some even if it not your experience.and if there are more than one way all the better.

a nicer way is the IME this wasnt the case or IMO it takes less time to get rid of ich not sorry you are wrong

this is a really cool forum lets try and keep it that way by no attacks on different ways of doing things especially if they seem personal think twice before responding maybe

edit "posted at same time simmilar info as amosf

 

[Sponge Bob]

So sure, no hard feelings. I've been on forums and email since such a thing existed (well, from BBS days). You'd be doing well to offend me.

Wow... BBS days ! Those were the days. I had so much fun on them. Made a lot of friends and since the BBS were often local, it was easy to have a get together and meet the people you spent so many hours exchanging messages on 600 baud modem ! Hehehehe

SB

 

[amosf]

Too true, russjet. And this is a nice friendly forum and it's best to keep it that way. All we can really offer is our opinions.

Further to that I think that the recommended period of use for quick cure is 14 days. And I think there is general agreement that it is an acceptable treatment.

Of course I think that malachite green and formaldehyde are the main ingredients of quick cure, so a certain care needs to be taken with such a product... I've seen a lot of advice to suggest that it should be used at lower than recomended level. Maybe there is some opinion on that as well...

All above said IMHO of course

 

[Sponge Bob]

Too true, russjet. And this is a nice friendly forum and it's best to keep it that way. All we can really offer is our opinions.

Further to that I think that the recommended period of use for quick cure is 14 days. And I think there is general agreement that it is an acceptable treatment.

Of course I think that malachite green and formaldehyde are the main ingredients of quick cure, so a certain care needs to be taken with such a product... I've seen a lot of advice to suggest that it should be used at lower than recomended level. Maybe there is some opinion on that as well...

All above said IMHO of course

QuICK Cure is supposed to be used for 2 days. That's what it says on the bottle. It also says that the treatment should be 1 drop / gal for all fish except Tetras. In the case of Tetras, half a dose is prescribed. Depending on the brand you buy, some products are already diluted to half strenght.

About ICH staying encysted and dormant for months... Don't you guys ever vaccuum your gravel ? How many times do you do it on a 3 months period ?

I rest my case.

 

[amosf]

About ICH staying encysted and dormant for months... Don't you guys ever vaccuum your gravel ? How many times do you do it on a 3 months period ?

I rest my case.

In my case, mr mason, it's a planted tank.

 

[russjet]

not encysted for months in the gravel

i may be really new to fish but i dont think it is possible to get every small particle out of the gravel each time that you gravel vac

research has found that it will live in the host fishs gill area therefore unseen and at a slower rate of growth

i use white spot control (uk ) and the bottle says to treat for 48 hours after any signs of ich so if you are treating your tank for 48 hours only then i can not see that ich would firstly be cured and secondly if it was, did it exist in the first place was your diagnosis correct

rest your case all you want however i hope for yours and your fishes sake it is resting on a stable enough surface.i would hate for the bottom to fall out of it

i guess you are right and everyone else must be wrong