how to treat ick with salt and heat?

russjet said:
not encysted for months in the gravel

i may be really new to fish but i dont think it is possible to get every small particle out of the gravel each time that you gravel vac

research has found that it will live in the host fishs gill area therefore unseen and at a slower rate of growth

i use white spot control (uk ) and the bottle says to treat for 48 hours after any signs of ich so if you are treating your tank for 48 hours only then i can not see that ich would firstly be cured and secondly if it was, did it exist in the first place was your diagnosis correct

rest your case all you want however i hope for yours and your fishes sake it is resting on a stable enough surface.i would hate for the bottom to fall out of it

i guess you are right and everyone else must be wrong
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Oh give me a break. For heaven's sake, you think that ICH will remain on fish gills for 3 months ? Please supply us with reference of that study. I want to read it.

You might not get every small particule on one vac time. But over a period of 3 months, you at least should vac 3 times. That's a minimum. I do it 6 times.

Anyway... you guys argue that ICH has a life cycle of 14 days, which is false by the way because the life cycle of ICH is dependant on the temperature of the water just to name that. The hotter the water, the faster it will cycle thru. Yet, you debate that it can hide here and there and stay alive for weeks, months and can reappear anytime. In the same sentence, you say to raise the temp to 86°F but say you should treat for 2 weeks with salt.

Maybe you should read a bit more on ICH on the net and really know what you are talking about because it simply doesn't make any sense. It's as if you were talking about Alien and that it lurks everywhere, just waiting to kill all your fish. It's the most common disease and easy to destroy.

Get serious please.

SB
PS : This debate is over as far as I am concerned. I think I've provided enough facts to prove my point. If you disagree, it's fine with me.
 
Ich doesn't remain in the host for the entire time, but rather each batch of new tomites find that they can infect only within the gills of the fish--once the fish are healthy enough to resist, of course. So, their life cycle continues, with fewer tomites successfully infecting the fish, unseen by the hobbyist.

In this hobby, experience is just that--it doesn't prove anything, it just means that's how you did something. Sometimes it works within a limited range of circumstances, and sometimes can be downright contrary to understood principles. However--unless it's been replicated successfully by a number of people, a single experience is not the best basis for advice.

As always--attacking someone because they use a different method, or disagree with yours, is not acceptable. Make your point once, answer specific questions regarding your method, then just let it go.
 
OrionGirl said:
Ich doesn't remain in the host for the entire time, but rather each batch of new tomites find that they can infect only within the gills of the fish--once the fish are healthy enough to resist, of course. So, their life cycle continues, with fewer tomites successfully infecting the fish, unseen by the hobbyist.

In this hobby, experience is just that--it doesn't prove anything, it just means that's how you did something. Sometimes it works within a limited range of circumstances, and sometimes can be downright contrary to understood principles. However--unless it's been replicated successfully by a number of people, a single experience is not the best basis for advice.

As always--attacking someone because they use a different method, or disagree with yours, is not acceptable. Make your point once, answer specific questions regarding your method, then just let it go.
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Do you know that once infected and cured from Ich, a fish develops a certain immunity to it ? So recurant ICH on the same fish is oddly probable.

SB
PS : Attacking is a big word. Debating with conviction is something else.
 
Some fish--not all. Without checking the gills under a microscope, there's no visible way to verify if ich is present in subclinical levels or not--but treating for less than it's full life cycle increases the odds of it returning dramatically. This is why the myth that ich is always present in all tanks got started.

Debating addresses only the issues, not the individuals presenting them.
 
OrionGirl said:
Some fish--not all. Without checking the gills under a microscope, there's no visible way to verify if ich is present in subclinical levels or not--but treating for less than it's full life cycle increases the odds of it returning dramatically. This is why the myth that ich is always present in all tanks got started.

Debating addresses only the issues, not the individuals presenting them.
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As far as I know, I only addressed the issues, not the individuals. Maybe you could provide me with examples ? Or maybe it's just that ppl tend to take everything personnally instead of keeping the focus on the issue itself.

SB
 
There were several in this thread and in others. I removed most of them, and won't reverse that by posting it myself. If you don't intend them as personal attacks, too bad--they are being taken that way. As mentioned in PM--you need to look at how people are reacting to you and realize your role in that reaction.
 
eep. I hope I didn't start this whole thing with all my questions. I've kept fish years ago, but I must admit I learnt alot by making mistakes. This time around I am older and wiser, and do not want to make the same mistakes again, because if I do it is my fish that suffer.
if anyone is curious, I have since done a 50% water change and am now trying the temp at 85F and 1tsp of salt per gallon for my black skirt tetras. They are all small and young still (this is why I had wanted to add cherry barbs to my tank earlier, but now that I think about it, when the tetras become fully grown and I add my 3 corrys, the tank will be just right). They all still have appetites when it is feeding time, and since the salt they are venturing out and being more active, so I am very hopeful they will all live. Some still have many spots, but if its true that the free swimming parasites cannot live in salt water, I hope once they loose those spots they will not get any more (this was my hope when I was adding quick cure, but they only got worse. not saying quick cure doesn't work-- its worked for me in the past. just not this time, and I am determined not to loose a single fish.)

as far as newbee and old members goes, I think a newbee (to the forums) can know a heck of a lot, but anyone can benifit from talking with other fish keepers. we all got started by reading and listening, and we can all benifit from it some more. Pets are living creatures, and there is always more to learn from them, as well as new techniques and products.
 
Severums with Ick

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I am new to this forum, I have had fish off and on all my life, but this is a new tank, I introduced a few new cichlids and now it seems they have ich, they don't want to eat and are rubbing on rocks a lot. I am confused as to whether to add the salt all at once(I have a 55 gallon tank) or to add it gradually over a few days. I definitely want to do the salt method, nothing against the med method but I prefer natural remedies. I raelly need detailed instructions on what to do starting with day one of treatment thru 2 weeks. I want to get it right. Could someone please help me.
 
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