I broke the cardinal rule of fish keeping! I need MAJOR help please!

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So... LONG LONG LONG story short, I'm brand new to aquariums. I bought too many fish, too quickly, with what I thought was enough research but was not. I trusted retail pet stores to give correct information about the first I bought, but they were wrong.

I began my 5 gal tank with a beta and eventually added 4 neon tetras (the little zippy ones). They got along swimmingly although probably too crowded.

Then, we bought a larger 29 gal tank for which we originally put in 2 veiled angelfish and a spotted puffer. They did not tell me the spotted puffer was brackish water or that the angelfish were aggressive. Needless to say, trying to round out our aquarium, we bought a few more fish. Too many apparently, because even though the angelfish--the ones that have been the most aggressive--were ok with the new additions of 3 red serpae tetras, a horseface loach to clean the bottom mess made by the puffer, and a rainbow shark.... the puffer was not. My puffer, who has since been playful but completely docile went on a rampage last night and removed the fins from my rainbow shark, all the fins from my angelfish, and when it started to attack my poor, defenseless loach, I freaked out and quarantined him in the betta tank--removing beta and his friends into the larger tank.

By the end of the night, both angelfish and the rainbow shark were dead. The horseface loach is completely traumatized. I don't think he can burrow in my gravel substrate because he hasn't even tried. I was pretty sure he was going to die last night too. And, I have a puffer in a 5 gal tank which is too small for him. I don't know what to do. By the way, my betta is doing completely fine in the larger tank and he isn't even aggressive except when he sees his reflection in the tank sides.

I am taking any and all suggestions and advice. My boyfriend wanted to "wipe our hands clean" of the puffer. I already had to remove 3 fish... Frankly, I don't know if I want a fish that is going to kill all my other fish by removing their fins. I don't know what to do. Please! Someone help me. I feel so guilty for these fish dying!
 
Well, you learned the hard way as many of us have. Don't beat yourself up about it....just move forward from here. I have never kept puffers, but from what I understand most are lone tank inhabitants. Angels can be aggressive, but most are not really. Sounds like you basically had a lot of fish that just weren't meant to be together.
So, if I understand your question is what should you do about the puffer? I think it depends on what you want. Do you know for sure what kind it is? Not just what the LFS claimed it was. Some of them get quite large. Some have very specific care requirements. My suggestion is to research what kind you have and it's requirements and go from there.
Sorry for your losses.
 
Well, I think I have a 1000 questions. But yes, one of them would be: what the heck am I supposed to do with a homicidal puffer? I bought him from Petco. They said that he was a leopard spotted puffer, but everyone else I encounter tells me he is a green spotted puffer. Either way, he's a killer. If I kept him alone, I am looking at the potential of eventually having to place him in a 30 gallon tank alone. I don't know if that is something that is economical for me. Can he survive for a few years in a 5 gal? I'm not even sure how fast they grow! He's not happy, I can tell you that. He is like the betta in that he comes to the front of the tank and gives me "that look" like he's saying "you've got to be kidding me."
 
First off, I would try to return the puffer since you were not told that it was brackish. If you want a puffer (or even a couple) try the SAPs (South American Puffer). They are totally freshwater, and are also called the "friendly puffer", since they are not aggressive, not even to each other. They stay at 3" or less. Most importantly, be patient and go slow. You will also find that you get more reliable information here than you will at most LFS. Try us - you'll like us !! Good luck.
 
No, your green spotted puffer cannot survive in the 5 gallon for any period of time. I would be doing hourly water changes on that thing to keep him alive until you can get him back to the store.

You could keep him and only him in a 30 gallon, but maintaining the brackish water that the puffer needs gets very pricey. So pricey, in fact, that most keepers just bump them up to full marine water, which is another matter entirely.

Return the puffer ASAP and regroup.
 
I brought the puffer back to petco today. Thank God. It is a huge weight lifted off my shoulders. I also replaced my substrate today in my 30 gallon tank. It was an ALL day affair. I also replaced the rainbow shark but unhappily, it is aggressive, and is concerning me about adding future fish. The original rainbow shark we had that the puffer decided to snack on was peaceful and almost like a school fish. I hope that things work out as I add new fish. My boyfriend is hoping to add baby chichlids (like the small, small ones) so that they grow together with the shark but I have a feeling even though the chichlids are aggressive, the shark is worse and is going to eat them like guppies or something.
 
rainbow sharks need 55 gallon tanks and most cichlids cant be kept in a 30 gallon. research is the key to fish keeping, without it you end up making mistakes.
 
Rainbow sharks aren't meant for 30 gallons. If you're going with cichlids then that may or may not limit your stocking options. Here's what you can do:
-Kribs
-angelfish
-African Butterfly Cichlids
-Apistos
-shell-dweller colony
-rams
For a peaceful community tank. Depending on what you choose affects your stocking. For example, Shellie's can only go with other Shellie's, and even then there are a whole bunch of species to choose from in that category.
Also, how many you get affects your tank stocking. I would only recommend one angel, or a pair of two from the cichlids mentioned above, although they can get aggressive. I would then add a school of something and leave it at that.

Just my opinion. Take whatever you want to do. Just remember to research, ask questions and think about the needs of the fish. :)


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Hi there,

So this is your current tanks/tank stock, correct?
5 Gallon
~4 neon tetras

29 Gallon
~3 serpae tetras
~1 male betta
~1 horseface loach
~1 rainbow shark

If so, this is what you need to do:

1. Rehome the rainbow shark. (You can try CL, and even try trading him on CL, just make sure it is a good home, with a 55 gallon up tank, and they are aware that he will be aggressive!) Even though the one you had before seemed peaceful, as they get older, even as cute 3-4" babies, they turn into brats. My CL rescue (he came with a 10 gallon I bought) killed 4 baby syno petricola, 2 cherry barbs, 2 blue tetras, 3 cardinal tetras, 1 harlequin rasbsora, 2 glowfish, 6 young cories, and a baby BN plecos. I first thought it was a fluke thing, but when I moved him from one 55 gallon to the other, and fish stopped dieing in the one he was previously in, but started dieing in the other one, then I knew he was the culprit)

2. Move the neons to the 29 gallon, and get 2 more (neons need to be in a group of 6+ to feel safe)

3. Get 3 more serpae tetras (serpaes will be VERY nippy if they are in a group under 6)

4. If your betta isn't getting fin nipped in the 29 gallon (which I highly suspect he is), then leave him there, if he is, then move him back to the 5 gallon, or better yet, get a cheap 10 gallon off CL and move him there if you want ;)

So now your stocking for the 29 gallon should be
~6 neon tetras
~6 serpae tetras
~1 horseface loach

Since your boyfriend wants a small cichlid, Rams or Kribensis would be good for your tank.

You could do 1-2 rams, there are Bolivan, German Blue, then Electric Blue coloration. (there probably are more, but these are what I know of)

Here's a Bolivian
bolivian.jpg

Here's a German Blue Ram
ram.jpg

And here's an Electric Blue Ram
electric blue ram.jpg

Or you could do

1-2 Kribensis

Here's a Krib (this one is a female, the males are more colorful, like most cichlids) I belive there are two color types of kribs as well, not sure though
krib female.jpg

Keep in mind though, if you get a male and female and they pair up, then they will be VERY territorial. Also, rams and kribs can be quite shy, they do best in a heavily planted (either real or fake- pref silk/soft plastic) tank, with lots of caves/cave like areas to hide in on the bottom.

You might be able to have an Apistogramma or 2 instead as well, I am not too sure on their compatibility with tetras, hopefully someone more experienced will chime in.

Here's an Apisto though (there are tons of different types)
apisto.jpg

I personally wouldn't do an angelfish in a 29 gallon, it just seems too small in my opinion.

ram.jpg electric blue ram.jpg krib female.jpg bolivian.jpg apisto.jpg
 
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