Just a question....i say all fish are hybrids.....that is ture in my opinion because what were the parents of say the first Jack Dempsey or the First Convict????
I hate killing babies :(
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When you look at it that way, your point can be taken... so, does this mean it is right if the Dempsy and Convict disappear...and all that is left (after much time mind you) is a hybrid of the two. So, you get rid of two species and are left with this hybrid one.
Maybe we should just hybrid all the fish in the world together!! Wouldn't that be cool!!
Oh wait...better yet - let's hyridize every living thing on the planet!! Woot Woot!!
lol...sorry, Im getting a bit extreme. I will let nature take it's course in it's NATURAL evolution. However, I have my fish in an artificial space. Due to the situation I had these fish in, they spawned...when naturally they would not have - therefore, I am responsible. I'm not god - I'll let nature keep its diversity.
Maybe we should just hybrid all the fish in the world together!! Wouldn't that be cool!!
Oh wait...better yet - let's hyridize every living thing on the planet!! Woot Woot!!
lol...sorry, Im getting a bit extreme. I will let nature take it's course in it's NATURAL evolution. However, I have my fish in an artificial space. Due to the situation I had these fish in, they spawned...when naturally they would not have - therefore, I am responsible. I'm not god - I'll let nature keep its diversity.
Juthunter28...Using the same philosophy...didn't we all evolve from the same primordial ooze. So I guess we'r related to chipmunks as well.
I'm not saying killing them is either right or wrong. Personally don't care. I just finished feeding a tank full of Red Tiger Motaguense fry to my juvenile Zaliosum. I do that with most of the fry from the different fish that spawn...and have no problem doing it. On the other hand I will nurse four or fize half inch fry back to health. Both serve a purpose.
RyJ hit the nail square. Not evryone is responsible. It's impossible to predict who is and isn't. Creating hybrids overall is done from a strictly marketing perspective. No thought is given to conservation, the hobby, or even the health of the fish.
Now if anyone had a tankful of mixed anything...let me know. I have a purpose in mind. So do the Zaliosum.
I'm not saying killing them is either right or wrong. Personally don't care. I just finished feeding a tank full of Red Tiger Motaguense fry to my juvenile Zaliosum. I do that with most of the fry from the different fish that spawn...and have no problem doing it. On the other hand I will nurse four or fize half inch fry back to health. Both serve a purpose.
RyJ hit the nail square. Not evryone is responsible. It's impossible to predict who is and isn't. Creating hybrids overall is done from a strictly marketing perspective. No thought is given to conservation, the hobby, or even the health of the fish.
Now if anyone had a tankful of mixed anything...let me know. I have a purpose in mind. So do the Zaliosum.
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RyJ and everyone else that says that you should let nature take it's course and don't form the hybrids, i think you are looking at this the wrong way. I mean i don't really like hybrids myself, but you say fish in nature wouldn't do this type of stuff. Well think about it like this...is the aquarium not part of nature??? And what is nature, are humans not living in nature or everything else on this planet as a matter of fact? The fish are basically trying to adapt to the conditions that they are put in, and like it or not that is part of nature. Other animals have had to do this because they are taken out of their "natural habitat" and they either had to adapt or die off. Now this isn't that life threatening when fish breed with different species, but all they are doing is adapting to the conditions present.
Oh great, now this thread is ahead of mines again (noooo) 
And no i'm not a real doctor (you could probably tell couldn't you)
And no i'm not a real doctor (you could probably tell couldn't you)
Seaman
Shrimp gumbo, shrimp salad etc...
There are a lot of rumors as to what this fish begain as...I believe I think it was a gold Severum and a Red devil, again this is still not for sure because it's a secret!
Exactly. No one knows. And this is ith an OBVIOUS hybridized fish. So how does one know if you are getting a pure Trimac or a Trimac with a couple of other secret ingredients blended in? Ya don't.
A very good friend of mine (who owns the Cichlid Scene) and I were talking about the pure bred species that are being sold by even the reputable dealers. The problem as discussed was that various popular species of fish are being bred to a point where the overall fish is farther away still to the actual species in the wild.
It's not intentional. It's just happening. Fresh wild stock is becoming less and less readily available. Hobbyists are breeding sibling fish to produce fry that may or may not carry a recessive gene...and so on down the line. The fish are just getting smaller and weaker as generations go by.
What does this have to do with Hybrids? It's a focus point. The emphasis from the mass breeding fish farms and hobbyists should be placed on producing healthy species of pure fish. Conservation. But it's not. Why? Among other reasons and probably the most popular...it isn't profitable. So they try new methods of changing...not improving...the fish.
Marketing 101. Sell what people want to buy. To hell with understanding hat it's all about...just, OOoo isn't that a pretty shade of (fill in the blank).
Look, I know people have Parrots and other Flowerhorns. I am sure that they enjoy the fish as a pet. And I am not knocking that. It's my opinion that it's unfortunate that they were created in the first place. But just understand what the ramifications are to the hobby and to the overall species.
A very good friend of mine (who owns the Cichlid Scene) and I were talking about the pure bred species that are being sold by even the reputable dealers. The problem as discussed was that various popular species of fish are being bred to a point where the overall fish is farther away still to the actual species in the wild.
It's not intentional. It's just happening. Fresh wild stock is becoming less and less readily available. Hobbyists are breeding sibling fish to produce fry that may or may not carry a recessive gene...and so on down the line. The fish are just getting smaller and weaker as generations go by.
What does this have to do with Hybrids? It's a focus point. The emphasis from the mass breeding fish farms and hobbyists should be placed on producing healthy species of pure fish. Conservation. But it's not. Why? Among other reasons and probably the most popular...it isn't profitable. So they try new methods of changing...not improving...the fish.
Marketing 101. Sell what people want to buy. To hell with understanding hat it's all about...just, OOoo isn't that a pretty shade of (fill in the blank).
Look, I know people have Parrots and other Flowerhorns. I am sure that they enjoy the fish as a pet. And I am not knocking that. It's my opinion that it's unfortunate that they were created in the first place. But just understand what the ramifications are to the hobby and to the overall species.
Didnt say anyhting about killing any fish.....i dont care what you do...i was just upset that you said a new species of fish should be killed just because its a hybrid....well in my point of view i think it doesnt matter if they spawn.... i would feed most of them and keep a few to see what they would turn out like.....not saying anything against you guys....its just plain retarded to say that fish are pure breds .......not every fish in the wild in pure.....its impossible to spawn pure blooded fish....because using Punnet Squares.....some of the fish from a spawn would be corrupt and die...some would be different the others based on variation and genetic recombination during meiosis....its just the way of life....that all fish are different and contain different dna make ups then others.....i dont think any fish are pure anymore.....
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Ok... I'll try to lay this out again...
In MY situation, I had two fish that WOULD NOT have cross bred in the wild. Due to ME placing them in an artifical (tanks are human made) setting, they cross bred. So...I am responsible. Yes, they were just adapting since the urge to reproduce is quite strong, and neither of them could find suitable mates for a really long time. We already know this. I've had my Dempsy and Convict together for over a year and this is the first time they have spawned.
'Life Threatening'? We are talking about the preservation of species. If my Dempsy and Convict weren't in my tank then would never have cross-bred.
So do you think we should cross breed every fish that we can? It would be a lot of work. We'd have to take them out of the wild and put them in situations where they would be forced to cross breed. Maybe we should even use technology and artifically inseminate fish that are a bit more difficult to cross-breed.
We could get some REALLY cool looking fish.
Hmm...I still can't help but wonder if what we are doing is wrong. Pfft, who cares, we have these hybrids for HUMAN interests. Just as long as we are entertained, everything we do is OK.
WHERE do we draw the line?
