I need to begin research on which SPS corals and few other species of corals

Some time after I post this question that I learned myself that besides the good effects it have, there be many drawbacks as well. The skimmer that is going on the 240 cost about $1,000. So with that knowing that even I not the money to do things as fast as I like, I still however buy the best I can for these tanks. A total cost with both reef tanks right now stands at around $32,000 and im not done yet.


I know that water currents is the main ticket while keeping SPS corals and in the sumps I will have that miracle mud. So for now, im looking into all possible angles here to do all the best in these tanks setup.

Right now, the two larger jobs to do are the changing of the lighting on both tanks and the sump on the 240 and after, the rest of what needs doing are considered as small jobs.

Saying much there, I know that the ozone would add to the tanks conditions and that not konowing its functions can cause serious damages for the system, but in all, I need to feel that things are doing OK while the long hours im at helping with my grandchildren. Besides all else ghere, I have to understand the maintaining of these corals as it is that I not need to add to the problem if I will have any that is.

Say Rich, I think we covered that idea of one skimmer doing the job for everything, I not have any place for doing this idea that each tank has its own sump with skimmer. For yes, I would be all for it that a skimmer for 1200 gals or more with a sump more than 1000 gals.

I spoken a little to my lfs guy today, that we will add the phosphate reactors with the calcium reactors from the start prior to any stocking of these tanks. I did tell him however that a long with the two carbon dioxide tanks I will like a third tank for so that when i need to get refills done, I can wait for my own personal tank and not accept their tank refills.

I found out the other day while I was waiting for the lfs to get in a pair of Yellow Golden Heart Triggers that they sell for $900 each for he had a Gem in and i wanted very much to take its pic, but he had to shp the Gem out just few days ago, it sold for $3,500. This is a tang that I was giving a quote of around $1500 to $2000 and now I know that it goes for ,a lot more then that, lol

One of my ideas were to see if I could get me a pair of clarion angels which then sold for $5,000 for a pair, but somebody had mess this up that was catching these fish without any permission and a restriction has be put into affect making this fish off-limits.

Buddy ><{{{{">
 
Its time now to make the coral list selection!

Here are some leathers which I selected and the question mark means if I can manage to keep it at all in stronger water currents. I'm more or less planning two leathers for the 240 and only one in the 180 and this is to start the aging of these tanks before any SPS corals. Least of the SPS corals that demand stronger lighting>

White Spaghetti Leather Coral (Sinularia flexibis)***
Yellow Polyp Toadstool Leather Coral (Sarcophyton sp.)**?
Fiji Yellow Leather Coral (Sarcophyton elegans)***?
CORAL, LEATHER FINGER (Sinularia)***
CORAL, CAULIFLOWER (Nephthea)*?


Now here in this part of the selection, I might have any one coral listed twice and this would be due to two reasons. One is I tend to forget and the other be that the names sometimes can be changed around somewhat and are the same coral. So please, if this is what I have on any coral selection, then be sure to point those out so that I wouldn't buy the very same coral. Also in this part of the list, the question mark can mean a few things like if the coral is really beautiful or not so beautiful. For the images available at most links not do these corals an justice. Also the question mark can mean if the tanks I would be keeping, if their will be ideal for that coral, meaning lighting and water currents. And aggression level would do well to know.


Blue Ridge Coral - Heliopora coerulea : Blue Fire Coral
Acropora sp. (Purple Staghorn Coral)**
Anthelia sp. (Waving Hand Coral) (colors)
Caulestrea sp. (Candy or Trumpet Coral)?
Alveopora (Branch) Coral - Alveopora species
Wildwood Bottle Brush Acropora Coral =(Acropora aculeus)***
Lobophyllia Brain (Red) - Lobophyllia species?
Flower Pot Coral - Goniopora lobata
Flower Pot Coral, Goniopora Coral (Goniopora djiboutiensis) **?
Pocillopora eydouxi. Antler Coral
Purple Tip Frogspawn Coral (Euphyllia paradivisa)**?
(Plerogyra sinuosa) Bubble Coral **?
Screaming Green Birdsnest Coral (Seriatopora guttatus)***?
Pink Stylophora (Stylophora sp.)**
Vivid Blue Tort (Acropora Tortuosa)***?
Orange Montipora digitata
(Montipora digitata) ***
Purple Rimmed Capricornis
(Montipora capricornis) ***
Orange/Pink Montipora Capricornis ***
Acropora microphthalma (Acropora microphthalma) **
Acropora Cerealis (Acropora cerealis) *
Van Gogh Acropora Coral (Acropora insignis)***
Sunrise Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora yongei)***
Royal Tipped Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora microphthalma)***
Northwoods Tri-color Acropora Coral (Acropora valida)
Neon Vermiculata Acropora Coral (Acropora vermiculata)**
Midnight Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora formosa)
Kohen's Echinata Acropora Coral (Acropora echinata)***
Green Spiny Acropora Coral (Acropora pectiniatus)
Green Prostrata Acropora Coral (Acropora prostrata)*?
Green and Purple Table Acropora Coral (Acropora clathrata)*
Fireside Acropora Coral (Acropora tenuis)**
Cranberry Tip Acropora Coral (Acropora sarmentosa)**
Bula Blue Acropora Coral (Acropora samoensis)***
Blue Tip Tongan Fuzzy Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora aspera)?
Aquamarine Tip Acropora Coral (Acropora nasuta)?
Blue Mesa Acropora Coral (Acropora hyacinthus)?
Blue Tip Kimbeensis Acropora Coral (Acropora kimbeensis)***
Purple Polyp Plating Montipora encrusting coral (Montipora peltiformis)?
Hodag's Montipora Coral (Montipora confusa)?
Royal Tipped Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora microphthalma)***
Blueberry Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora kirstyae)?
Australian Delicate Staghorn Coral (Acropora sp.)**
Blue Acropora Millepora Coral (Acropora millepora)**
Van Gogh Acropora Coral (Acropora insignis)***
Snow White Acropora Coral (Acropora sp.)**
Marshall Island, Tri Color Acropora Corals (Acropora sp.)?
Purple Paradise Acropora Coral (Acropora loripes)?
Tenuis, Green with Purple Tips (Acropora tenuis)***
Northwoods Tri-color Acropora Coral (Acropora valida)*
Neon Vermiculata Acropora Coral (Acropora vermiculata)**


Now understand that the list of coral names I collected through the past few years due to the fact that I will be having my reef tanks in full working functions at some time. That the coral names differ from one link to another depending on where one looks.

Now the star symbol means, three stars I favor that coral the most and two is just under the most favorites and one and then no star meaning I can have that coral or not.

Also, that is still a small part of the list of corals I in my word pad, that im sure as well that many corals I could had copied any number of times>



Buddy ><{{{{">
 
OK buddy,
The leather corals are possible with large amounts of Activated carbon but there presence in the system will limit SPS growth. Now with that said, You can have leathers with SPS...they just don't grow as fast as when it is SPS only. Xenia has the same effect. Zoanthids/palys are fine with SPS.

The blue ridge coral is actually going to be green/brown. The blue color is the color of the skeleton that you wont be able to see.

Staghorn corals should be fine.

the anthelia is like Xenia and i would rule out.

Caulestrea sp. (Candy or Trumpet Coral)?... is OK
Alveopora (Branch) Coral - Alveopora species... Very difficult to feed
Wildwood Bottle Brush Acropora Coral =(Acropora aculeus)***...OK
Lobophyllia Brain (Red) - Lobophyllia species?...OK
Flower Pot Coral - Goniopora lobata... Very difficult to feed
Flower Pot Coral, Goniopora Coral (Goniopora djiboutiensis) **?
Pocillopora eydouxi. Antler Coral... OK
Purple Tip Frogspawn Coral (Euphyllia paradivisa)**?...OK but watch for sweepers
(Plerogyra sinuosa) Bubble Coral **?...sweeper tentacles more aggressive
Screaming Green Birdsnest Coral (Seriatopora guttatus)***?...OK
Pink Stylophora (Stylophora sp.)**...OK
Vivid Blue Tort (Acropora Tortuosa)***?...OK try for a Cali Tort
Orange Montipora digitata (Montipora digitata) ***...OK
Purple Rimmed Capricornis (Montipora capricornis) ***...OK try for Leng Sy
Orange/Pink Montipora Capricornis ***...ok
Acropora microphthalma (Acropora microphthalma) **...OK
Acropora Cerealis (Acropora cerealis) *...OK
Van Gogh Acropora Coral (Acropora insignis)***...OK
Sunrise Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora yongei)***...OK look for yellow species
Royal Tipped Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora microphthalma)***...Same as above
Northwoods Tri-color Acropora Coral (Acropora valida)...OK
Neon Vermiculata Acropora Coral (Acropora vermiculata)**...OK
Midnight Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora formosa)...OK
Kohen's Echinata Acropora Coral (Acropora echinata)***...OK
Green Spiny Acropora Coral (Acropora pectiniatus)...OK
Green Prostrata Acropora Coral (Acropora prostrata)*?...OK
Green and Purple Table Acropora Coral (Acropora clathrata)*...OK look for Larry Jacksons
Fireside Acropora Coral (Acropora tenuis)**...OK
Cranberry Tip Acropora Coral (Acropora sarmentosa)**...OK rasberry millepora has more color
Bula Blue Acropora Coral (Acropora samoensis)***...OK
Blue Tip Tongan Fuzzy Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora aspera)?...Aggressive chemically
Aquamarine Tip Acropora Coral (Acropora nasuta)?...OK
Blue Mesa Acropora Coral (Acropora hyacinthus)?...OK
Blue Tip Kimbeensis Acropora Coral (Acropora kimbeensis)***...OK
Purple Polyp Plating Montipora encrusting coral (Montipora peltiformis)?...OK
Hodag's Montipora Coral (Montipora confusa)?...OK
Royal Tipped Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora microphthalma)***Repeat
Blueberry Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora kirstyae)?...OK
Australian Delicate Staghorn Coral (Acropora sp.)**...ok
Blue Acropora Millepora Coral (Acropora millepora)**...OK
Van Gogh Acropora Coral (Acropora insignis)***repeat
Snow White Acropora Coral (Acropora sp.)**unknown
Marshall Island, Tri Color Acropora Corals (Acropora sp.)?unknown
Purple Paradise Acropora Coral (Acropora loripes)?...OK
Tenuis, Green with Purple Tips (Acropora tenuis)***repeat
Northwoods Tri-color Acropora Coral (Acropora valida)*repeat
Neon Vermiculata Acropora Coral (Acropora vermiculata)**repeat

Most of these SPS will be harder to come by and many will be tan or brown corals for the first few months unless aquacultured. Color morphs will vary so pay closer attention to structure and growth patterns along with type of polyps. It is ok if a brown specimen comes in. Give it about 4 months in your system after QT to color up.
 
OK buddy,
The leather corals are possible with large amounts of Activated carbon but there presence in the system will limit SPS growth. Now with that said, You can have leathers with SPS...they just don't grow as fast as when it is SPS only. Xenia has the same effect. Zoanthids/palys are fine with SPS.

With that said, I no choice but to leave them out ;) Thanks

Now the list thus far, take shape like this.......And also know that any number of changes will and could be made>

Caulestrea sp. (Candy or Trumpet Coral)
Wildwood Bottle Brush Acropora Coral =(Acropora aculeus)***
Lobophyllia Brain (Red) - Lobophyllia species
Pocillopora eydouxi. Antler Coral
Purple Tip Frogspawn Coral (Euphyllia paradivisa)**OK but watch for sweepers ( I had not this one and it took the area of a foot all to itself)
(Plerogyra sinuosa) Bubble Coral **?...sweeper tentacles more aggressive (This one I will think about)
Screaming Green Birdsnest Coral (Seriatopora guttatus)***
Pink Stylophora (Stylophora sp.)**
Vivid Blue Tort (Acropora Tortuosa)***?...OK try for a Cali Tort
Orange Montipora digitata (Montipora digitata) ***
Purple Rimmed Capricornis (Montipora capricornis) ***...OK try for Leng Sy
Orange/Pink Montipora Capricornis ***
Acropora microphthalma (Acropora microphthalma) **
Acropora Cerealis (Acropora cerealis) *
Van Gogh Acropora Coral (Acropora insignis)***
Sunrise Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora yongei)***...OK look for yellow species :)
Northwoods Tri-color Acropora Coral (Acropora valida)
Neon Vermiculata Acropora Coral (Acropora vermiculata)**
Midnight Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora formosa)
Kohen's Echinata Acropora Coral (Acropora echinata)***
Green Spiny Acropora Coral (Acropora pectiniatus)
Green Prostrata Acropora Coral (Acropora prostrata)*
Green and Purple Table Acropora Coral (Acropora clathrata)* look for Larry Jacksons
Fireside Acropora Coral (Acropora tenuis)**
Cranberry Tip Acropora Coral (Acropora sarmentosa)** rasberry millepora has more color
Bula Blue Acropora Coral (Acropora samoensis)***
Blue Tip Tongan Fuzzy Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora aspera)?...Aggressive chemically (will think on it)
Aquamarine Tip Acropora Coral (Acropora nasuta)
Blue Mesa Acropora Coral (Acropora hyacinthus)
Blue Tip Kimbeensis Acropora Coral (Acropora kimbeensis)***
Purple Polyp Plating Montipora encrusting coral (Montipora peltiformis)
Hodag's Montipora Coral (Montipora confusa)
Blueberry Staghorn Acropora Coral (Acropora kirstyae)
Australian Delicate Staghorn Coral (Acropora sp.)**
Blue Acropora Millepora Coral (Acropora millepora)**
Purple Paradise Acropora Coral (Acropora loripes)
Snow White Acropora Coral (Acropora sp.)** http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=2069
Marshall Island, Tri Color Acropora Corals (Acropora sp.) http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=1606

Most of these SPS will be harder to come by and many will be tan or brown corals for the first few months unless aquacultured. Color morphs will vary so pay closer attention to structure and growth patterns along with type of polyps. It is ok if a brown specimen comes in. Give it about 4 months in your system after QT to color up.

I know that many corals I might not even get to see them and is why I will have a larger selection with the star symbol to which coral I prefer more to no star symbol, that those corals afterwards could be deleted from the list. Also the two corals you had labeled them as unknown, I got for you the links from where I had seen them at.

Thanks Rich, Now you can relax until the next listing :)

Here is the link I will have if I cannot find anything better for when im stocking these tanks>
http://oldmanofthesea38.blogspot.com/

Buddy
 
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These were the two type of corals that you not could identify;

Snow White Acropora Coral (Acropora sp.)** http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...fm?pCatId=2069
Marshall Island, Tri Color Acropora Corals (Acropora sp.) http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...fm?pCatId=1606

Now I'm realizing that its much time wasted in searching the names others had pasted as their coral ID in type of species it be that much of the names I copied to my word pad, are most the same species, if not have a difficulty to identify due to either the shade of light it be under or other wise.

I a load of coral photos that I in my picture folder and with those will explore these forums and see if a coral I like the way it looks in appearances. I will load these images to that link that Niko and another had suggested to me with the names I gotten as these coral known common names and such.

I figure that this would be most useful in the type of coral it really is for I know of these corals, just I not dealt much with these type of corals. Also if any coral is a copy of another and I not realized this, just have to say that I either accepted that coral species already or that I decided to do without that coral.

Also today, I been sick, but I been thinking about this much and I have to drop the idea of any soft corals. Only thing in this be is that I would greatly need your help Rich on the corals best to start with into aging the tank systems for 5-6 months before any of the other main corals are brought.
Also I think I said that I will talk with my lfs on ordering a goof number of these corals at one time, like tem to be exact and that he would QT at the store and charge me some extra cost for it. I was thinking that he QT them for not less then a month, is this ideal with these corals for the idea really is if there be any hitch hikers. And the 40 gal qt is really setup for FO for it has the type of skimmer and so that I would never place corals in this tank.

The tanks aren't completed so far, but I will try some time after to take pics before he complete the tanks and then take pics of what they look like after. They`re no skimmers running on the reef tanks.

here is the link for which I will be using for this.
http://oldmanofthesea38.blogspot.com/

I figure with the SPS/hard corals I might have some polyps or so>

Buddy
 
HI Rich, I am using the help of Eric Borneman and yourself and he as well knows of you for I told him that I will be using the help from you both. I'm not placing you two against one another in your knowledge for the deal in this which I am looking for so much too do, corals ID are extremely difficult. I done whatever update on the coral selection of whatever Eric were able to tell me. Before I move on to the next coral selection, I am waiting for your views on the list and one thing Eric left out or might not had noticed I asked him of this, I asked him on which coral if my tanks meet to their requirements, can I start with in the first few months. That is so that the aging of these systems can move forward with the coral I most desire to own.

You see Rich, people as yourself stand out in your background in this hobby, there were as well a few others that wanted to give me more then just coral ideas. When I asked to see their threads where they have their tanks so that I can see how well their knowledge stands out. Few gotten hot under the collar and saying that your looking for help, aren't you> I told them that I was looking for which corals they might bring to my attention in which I might love to have later on, that I didn't ask them for answers on my tanks and if they wanted to go further then just coral suggestions, then I would need to know of their background.

One wanted to email me photos of his tanks, and I told him that I would prefer to see his responses to others for photos can be of anybody's tanks and this person never giving me any forums in where he be so that I might look his responses over his giving to others. And not too long after that, this same person posted a opinion to another who is doing a mixer of corals with SPS and his answer to that member were that he needs a turnover rate of 50x to 100x turnover rate, yipes.

Buddy :)
 
Buddy, there are several people in your area that post on club-zoa and could help you with working on the tanks. Check with a local fish club also. If you have someone healthier than yourself to help you I can always talk them thru set ups. Just pick a day and we can run a set up thread.
 
Hey Rich, we spoken little of the tanks setup. I think I said that the 240 gal tanks sump is being replaced and that the lights on both systems are as well and with that are the reactors and a few minor items to do like the canopy doors, so that when opening the doors upwards, they would stay open. Also being that the 180 is my older tank, its a standard 180 gal tank. I been for a while talking about having some type of protective net going across the back of the tank. That's because for the dwarf eels I will have and as well, any possible jumpers. I did think of the salt creep that the netting will cause and I thought up the idea to have a 4-5" wide glass strips to go across the back of the 180 and due to the fact that I will have some strong lighting, I need to go with all glass here.

Pretty much, I know what I want within these tanks Rich, the problem is that I cannot do all these things myself. For what I meant more about looking for your insight is mostly on the corals. But still if anything be better for my reef tanks in equipment wise, I love to hear it.

So I guess you got the selection of corals and it will be sometime before your thoughts are on those. And once I made the complete listing of which I will have on these tanks coral selection pick, I will then move to the next coral choices in question.

Sorry Rich, I didn't realize in what you meant on the tanks to setup. I paid this lfs guy the money to do all these things for if it was that when I went to this new place that opened about 2.5 years ago that for them to do what I wanted, it would been somewhere around $8,000 and the only reason why I will have another bill with my lfs guy is for the two new ER skimmers and the custom build sump for the 240. Other wise, the bill would be much smaller.

If that other lfs not was as high as they were, I might gone with them and washed my hands with this guy. But I paid enough for these tanks for as it be now, these tanks would cost me more then $36,500 before the cost of the snails and hermits. That's my fault Rich, for I wanted something beautiful for my final tanks in this hobby which is why when I stuck with the thought of SPS corals from 12 years ago, I knew then that it was for me. For I first thought of the idea for some six years or so before I put it into plan.

I'm continuing to collect coral photos from RC right now, I know that I will have some of the same over any number of times and is why I need the help and guidance from one such as yourself in this. I'm a old pro when it came to eels, I know from what many others tells someone that at most, folks only talk of the basics in these animals.

Right now I received an email from one other young person I helped a few times, he knows that I no longer respond to eel questions in the forums. He emailed me asking that he hope that it was ok that he giving this person my email so that he might ask me why his eels are acting as they are. Right now from most of what mike said of this other guys thread, it sounds like his a tess or rather some other large growing species in which requires their free space. Anyway, I will find out more if and when this kid emails me.

Buddy
 
OK Buddy, I didn't realize that you are wanting to add SPS now. If so, purchase the corals in the Montipora sp. These are all excellent, hardy corals to start with. If you see good growth for the first 3 months and the colors are vivid, not brown then you can begin to upgrade to Pocillipora/stlyophora sp. Add the acros after the 6 month period when you are sure all is well. The acros will be the most demanding.

Make sure with all introductions that they are treated to FLATWORM EXIT/IODINE dips and that they undergo QT. It is imperative that no pests enter the display tanks.

Any Montipora sp. you want will work.
 
Not right now for the lights aren't in and the other things that needs some doing, but I wanted to know that once the setup is going and I wait until after I start in hermits and snails and a few other items and im more or less thinking to if I can start around the third month. Of course that there be some other corals that not need to concern so much about like the zoas you are doing , oops......... I see you said here the same idea I had in mind> LOL

As for the QT of these corals, I thought that I made it clear enough that I will have my lfs guy hold them for 4-6 weeks and he could charge me baby sitting services. For the method in how he setup the 40, I not like it for as a system to even QT corals. Later you will see why for before he finish the tanks, i will take a load of pics as the tanks are right now.

I forgotten to add this before, I guess you agree with the names of the coral the Eric giving me for he were not sure with a number of them, it could be for the reason that the coral or corals were under a different set of lights. But if you do agree with the labeling of the corals, I will finish up on those and then move on to the next

Buddy
 
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