ICH And SALTWATER

"My further advice. This forum caught my eye because it was a litle more relaxed. But there is alot of forums out there with really informed fishkeepers. this is the first site I have seen that doles out the salt water treatment for ICH. Are they right and it can work? Sure. Is it the safest no. Should other treatments also be recommended yea, you bet. It isnt about whos right and wrong because we both are. this is about whats best for the fish and what I believe is strongly misleading to new fishkeepers such as myself." puresouthern

I can give you a list of people/forums with decades of keeping and breeding fish that treat Ich with salt and heat. Why wouldn't it be safe. Have you ever gone in the ocean with a cut? The saly helps the healing process. I have NEVER lost a fish due to heat/Salt treatment for Ich. And my fish were NEVER swiming in salt water. Just water with SOME salt in it.

You being new you may not know who has good advice and knowledge and who is just throwing ideas out there. OrionGirl is one of the people on this board that I and most people will take her advice without any hesitation.

"The treatment of salt is very misleading even with me being a newb and doing the RESEARCH, I was able to come to what is a common sense conclusion."
puresouthern

ok I read most of your post but what is so missleading about adding salt (1tsp/gal) and raising the temp to 86, a little at a time. Go and buy a box of aquarium salt and read the directions, can't be any harder than buying a bottle of medication and following the same directions.

"And STRESS COAT STRESS COAT STRESS COAT. My little fishies are like new beings But my remedie was a COMBINATION of 3 different in sources taking which made the most sense."
puresouthern

So what was your remedie?? How many fish have you lost??

"Only some didnt seem to like when I brought up there was other options and should be furthered research before you jump in with both feet and follow that advice. People are here to share their passion I GET THAT. But when receiving advice you need to weigh it even if the person is more experienced. Theres cons to everything. My point was there was more cons to the suggested treatment they were giving."

so whay are you jumping in both feet first about not using salt and heat??
and what are ALL the cons of adding a little salt of raising the temp a little??
 
Puresouthern,
you come across to me as very narrowminded and opinionated (not to mention confrontational). Try to get other peoples opinions here before you go and tell everyone they're doing everything wrong. Theres reason why we do certain things, and maybe when you know both sides of the story (ex. why many (myself included) used salt and heat to kill ick) you can make a judgement. There are many more experienced aquarists (that aren't around at the moment) who would gladly explain to you the reasons they use salt and heat.
 
I find your posts interesting, South, but not for the information you provide. No, what I find interesting is the way you consistently contradict yourself from one post to the next. Meds are bad; but you advocate the use of Stress Coat (which is a med itself). You advocate using treatments that would naturally occur in a fish's natural environment i.e. "fish don't have meds in the wild"; again, in regard to the Stress Coat - are we to then believe that fish in the wild are carrying around tiny little bottles of the stuff to squirt on themselves whenver things get a bit stressful? You claim that many newbies are being blindly led down a dark and dangerous path when it comes to treating ich and that we should not believe eveerything we read to be the gospel of fishkeeping; yet, isn't that exactly what you have done yourself? By taking the word of the folks who wrote the Aquamanics article, without ANY scientific evidence to back it up, and categorically dismissing treatments offered here as wrong and damaging, have you not fallen victim to the same blind obedience you so vehemently attempted to denounce in your posts?

Had you simply offered your "evidence" or opinion as an alternative rather than the standard, I might have been less offended. That you took a I'm right/you're wrong stance undermines your credibility, IMO.

I've done my research and mild salt treatments for ich have been offered and advocated by some of the most respected and knowledgeable names in the business. And, I might be missing something, but MY research indicates raising the temperature a mere 5 degrees is sufficient - unless your aquarium is infested, at which time you can slowly raise the temp to no more than 90 degrees AFTER removing the fish from it.

I think your heart is in the right place, South - it's your method of expressing your opinion that I take issue with.
 
NO what I said was why was this method being passed out like candy?? When its the most controversial? What I did was hit a nerve button on questioning this particular expertise. Your not use to having it questioned and it doesnt sit well with you. All these other newbs come on here ask you questions and absorb what you say without bothering to question the validity of it and checking out what other experts have to say. Your the big man on campus and how dare anyone put your expertise into question. I maybe new to fish keeping but I have a brain and this isnt the logical order of things except to people who have a God complex.

You have without fail keep quoting " no meds" when what I said was the ICH meds werent working and I took them away and reduced the amount of chemicals that went into my tank. Over and over again I said I now only use Stress Coat and a water conditioner, but you just couldnt let it go that I dared to question your so called expertise. Over and over again I put up sites that disputed the advice you were given to people that are probably like me quite overwhelmed with info. But the only intelligent thing you come up with NO MEDS WHAT A JOKE.

As for the stress coat, thats as assinine as everything else you've said.

This conversation with you is done. You never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

My advice to other newbs. Forums are great, talk to other poeple about their experience but research too and sometimes the best treatment or course is a multiple version of experiences.

It will move you from fish haver to fish keeper.
 
Welcome aboard buddy. You've got a lot to learn, and not just about keeping fish.

I'm going to lock this thread before it goes even further downhill.
 
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