Ich Issues

sorry to hijack the thread. not the intent. but the links below--sort of a random wandering of the web. academic and fish sites. makes interesting reading. i guess it comes back to the point that there are a number of ways to treat ich, other than with salt, that are very effective and very rapid in dithe resolution of the disease. I guess i might take a trade off in time of infestation with method of treatment. Not sure any of the people say definitively what is "best". and that is my point. best is a subjective reference. one where values are judged differently. so, here is a list of links that can help you form your own opinions of "best". and, at the same time open a world of options. at the same time, you might consider one of my favorites. moving the infected fish from clean tank to clean tank (bare bottom tanks) every 24 hours for 3-4 days. At 80º F you should have it cleaned up--with almost no stress inside of 4 days. that one might be best--except for the effort involved.

http://cvm.msu.edu/courses/mic569/docs/parasite/ICK.HTML

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_FA006

http://www.aquaculture.bz/fish-disease/ich-disease.html

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1791&articleid=2421

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache...iliis&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=26&client=safari

interesting endorsement of salt method. was quick to note, however that ich has withstood 3ppm, 5ppm, and with the previously cited research discussed in earlier thread on the topic it adds to the 6ppm tolerance issue

http://www.haworthpress.com/store/ArticleAbstract.asp?sid=0H5VML86LK0Q9N9XTNP343HELPV6C35A&ID=36388

23 and 45 day exposures—wow.

http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml

http://www.tropentag.de/2004/abstracts/links/Knopf_u3IpiQcm.php

plant extracts—that is special. goes well with the papers that discuss garlic for the treatment of ich.

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/170209.htm

http://cdserver2.ru.ac.za/cd/catfish/catfish/cat94a.htm
it gets interesting when you see the universities involved in materials on this site—under the copyright section.
 
So just an update....

This will be the 5th day of treatment (started Thursday afternoon). All of the spots have fallen off of the sharks and I haven't noticed any new spots on anyone except the one angelfish who's spots popped up Friday. Along those lines, should it take this long for them to fall off? He has about 10 small spots in one area on his tail and I had expected them to start going away by now.

I've been having some issues with my PH fluctuating down and have been putting in buffer-up and Jungle PH-Increase (which I really hate to do) just to keep it at the level where my tap water is normally (striving for consistancy). And I've added an aerator which has been running about half the day (at night).

All of the fish seem alright, but some (the 2 angelfish in particular) seem sliggish and have a noticably decreased appetite.

At this point I am still doing 250 mg per 10 gallons of Quinine EOD and I'm doing a 25% water change on the days I don't treat trying to vacuum the gravel really well, and adding in 500 mg of Quinine to make up for the amount I took out with the water. Temp is at 86 degrees.

I've decided that once I get to the point where the first round of treatment is about finished I'll run a diatom filter for the last day or 2. The manufacturer of the Quinine suggested 8 days of treatment per round, but given the fact that I need to continue tretment for 4 days after the last spots fall off (or so I understand), and the angelfish still has spots, I'm anticipating needing to go a bit longer. After that I'm up in the air whether to use the quinine for another round or to try and use a preventative product like Kordon Herbals Prevent Ich. Anyone have any ideas there???

Thanks to everyone who has been reading this and if anyone has any insight into why it's taking so long for the spots to fall off the angelfish I'd definately appreciate it!
 
pictus catfish and baby gurami with ich

I have a 30 gal tank, that has been running fine for the last month. I have 2 adult male guramis(Blue, and Gill), 2 upside down catfish(Rufus, and Buddy), 6 danios(4 long fins, the pack has no names)), and a chinesse alge eater(Slimey). We just bought 2 baby guramis(females, no name yet), and a pictus catfish(Felix) 3 days ago. The next day the smallest gurami went missing(figured that one of the adult males, or the alge eater ate her). The real problem is that this morning 4/29/06 we noticed white spots on the pictus cat and the remaining baby gurami. I think from all I have read that this is ich(both fish are specaled with white specs,like salt, and both are new to the tank(likley stressed)). I did a 70% water change and am using the salt method to fight it(1 tsp per 2 gal water). My question is how long do I do this for, and will I need to add more salt over a time period? cjdog@nycap.rr.com
I'm new to the fish thing and welcome answers to keep our fish alive(have a 2yr old that loves his new fish friends, and knows all they're names.
 
try interpet antiwhitespot plus, this treatment can be used at full strength even with clown loaches, i can vouch for this personally. hope this helps
 
jeepgod,
For future reference, It works better to start your own thread simply because it will get you more attention. A lot of folks ignore the older and longer threads unless they have a specified interest in that particular thread.

1/2 teaspoon per gallon is not IMO adequate to ensure success for ich treatment. 2-3 teaspons per gallon of salt is really the safest route to go.
For more information, try this link. The link will also outline treatment periods and why extended treatment is needed.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39759

Dave
 
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