Ich + Plants + Catfish + Invertibrates?

Your inverts should tolerate teh salt treatment, although you may see some snail inactivity. If at all possible, remove any applesnails prior to treatment. You build up the dose over a couple of days. Table or aquarium salt is fine, table salt is much cheaper. With the salt treatment, you can do water changes you just redose the salt for the volume of water exchanged, being sure to dissolve it in tank water first. Doing deep gravel vacs and wiping down the inside of the glass is a good idea. Hopet his helps

Thanks for the information, it helps a ton. Good thing I've got another tank that's not contaminated for my new cherry shrimp and snails (hope they get here today!!).

Kain:
Ich guard works great. But it will turn your decorations blue, and kill your snails. So I would move the shark into a smaller tank (if you have one) and treat it there.

Thing is, there's 5 sharks, and they're all over 6" long lol. I just picked up a 90gal tank, but I have nowhere for it to be setup at the moment, and of course it's nowhere near cycled. I guess I could use one of my established Rena filters on it, and use water out of the 300gal to jump start things...but that also doesn't fix my main tank, nor the issue of where to put it even temporarily. More fish than just the sharks have the ich now =/.

I think salt is the way I'm going to have to go =/. Just hope my plants live through it.

Cris
 
I dosed the salt in two phases, I basically figured out the dose for the whole tank and split it in half. Dissolved one half in a bucket of tank water, then used airline tube to siphon it into the tank over the course of an hour or so. The next day I did the other half. I treated for one full week after all signs of ich had disappeared. Kept to my normal water change schedule, just replacing salt that was removed through water changes in the same manner.
 
Since you already have ich attack in the water, turn up the heat to 85 and create some currents to add oxygen. Should speed up the cycle then ich attack in the water will kill ich. Continue to add the ich attack for one week and more :O Nuke them out.
 
Since you already have ich attack in the water, turn up the heat to 85 and create some currents to add oxygen. Should speed up the cycle then ich attack in the water will kill ich. Continue to add the ich attack for one week and more :O Nuke them out.

Water temp is already 82* (only required putting the acrylic lids back on the thing)...but I can bump it up a notch or two. I think I'm going to go invest in a pair of digital thermometers anyhow today, just to be sure. When you get into the higher temps it really sucks when 85* really means 92* =/.

Cris
 
Table salt is cheaper than aquarium salt and still effective.:) I've used this on loaches without ill effects but I do dissolve it before adding it.
 
seeing as how colombian catfish require brackish and eventually full salt water as they mature, a planted tank probably isn't the best home for them. what are your plans long term?
 
seeing as how colombian catfish require brackish and eventually full salt water as they mature, a planted tank probably isn't the best home for them. what are your plans long term?

You know, if there's one thing I have always hated about fish keeping, it's the fact that for every bit of information out there there's an army of people refuting it =/. It's hard for a typical hobbyist to sort through it and have ANY chance of finding the truth. This seems to be another example. I've owned these before, and raised them to about 8" long before selling the tank. My understanding (totally limited!) was that they never actually required brackish or salt water...only that similar to ropefish, they will not grow to their full sizing of perhaps 16" in fresh water. I was told that in fresh water their mature sizing would be about 12". The guy I bought these from had a large tank, and said that his 'mature' Columbians had been approximately 10-12" for the last three years or so, and that he kept them in pure fresh water. His fish seemed healthy and happy with bright eyes, a healthy looking underside, and a good amount of activity for that large a fish. He fed them by hand for me as well and they (even the ones I bought) ate readily and went into the typical 'shark frenzy' that these guys are known for.

What is the actual truth here? My long term plans were to keep them. My tank's 10' long by 24"x24", and these guys are already past what was supposed to be their 'middle' growth at 6"-8" long.

Cris
 
i've never kept them, and only learned about them pretty much from reading other people's experiences with them here and the advice given. however, it's not a myth that they should have brackish to salt water, and even your experiences show that. if they can't reach their full size under freshwater conditions (though seemingly healthy) then freshwater isn't the best for them. i'm willing to say that denying them their "natural" conditions stunts their growth, and probably decreases their lifespan as well. i'm sure there are many people that keep them in freshwater as long as they live, but other sources say otherwise.

planetcatfish:

Salt should be added in relation to the age of the fish. The older the fish, the more salt, right up to 100% marine. The fish is very tolerate of changes of salinity and will live in freshwater happily as a young fish.

they also note the family name is Ariidae - commonly known as Sea Catfishes. that should be a clue.

Neale Monks is editor and senior author of Brackish Water Fishes. He is the brackish water 'expert' in Practical Fishkeeping Magazine, and has been maintaining a popular FAQ on the topic for over 10 years. He writes:


Marine catfish

When it comes to salty water, two catfish families stand out: the Ariidae and the Plotosidae. The Ariidae is perhaps the best known to freshwater fishkeepers, with one species, Hexanematichthys seemanni, being sold as the Colombian shark catfish. This is a large family (around 120 species) with representatives to be found along the coastlines of all the continents except Europe and Antarctica. Australia has a number of species that have secondarily become truly freshwater fish, presumably in the absence of competition from other catfish families, but ariids are otherwise completely marine animals that only migrate into rivers when foraging for food. The Colombian shark catfish, for example, while sold as a brackish water fish, is best kept in a marine aquarium.

so, why buy fish knowing they live naturally in one kind of water, and then keep them in the 'wrong' kind anyway? wouldn't it be in the best interests of the fish and you to keep them in water that most closely mimics their natural habitat and needs? That way they not only get to live their lives to the fullest, but you get to watch them do it.


eh, you're going to do what you want to do anyway, but on another note. . . .

both types of catfish are going to eat your tetras.
 
so, why buy fish knowing they live naturally in one kind of water, and then keep them in the 'wrong' kind anyway? wouldn't it be in the best interests of the fish and you to keep them in water that most closely mimics their natural habitat and needs? That way they not only get to live their lives to the fullest, but you get to watch them do it.


eh, you're going to do what you want to do anyway, but on another note. . . .

both types of catfish are going to eat your tetras.

I assume you're implying that I purposely bought a 'marine' fish and am torturing it in fresh water for my own selfish, sadistic entertainment. If so, I take offense. I bought fish based on the information given to me...and right or wrong, it was the only real information I had available at the time. Places like Wal Mart, and every local fish store on the planet sell these as freshwater/brackish fish, stating that it is your choice what kind of habitat you keep them in.

My apologies for not being better informed. However, understand that rather than 'doing what I want anyway' I will do more research rather than basing my choice on your stated opinion/information. If in fact my further research leads me to believe that these fish should be marine only by this age, I'll gladly give them up to someone who will care for them properly. If you can't bear for them to languish in fresh water until my research is concluded...you're more than welcome to keep them for me in conditions you deem appropriate.

Now, just in case you can't read between the lines, I was trying to get the point across in my previous post (that was accidentally deleted due to board glitches earlier) that my information on these fish was, as a casual hobbyist, somewhat limited...although I felt I was being responsible in trusting a person who has kept these fish for years, in what appears to be (despite your outside observations) extensively good health. You jumping on me assuming I simply purchased a fish I liked without regards to its proper care was insulting to say the least, and extremely unappreciated as well.

As far as eating my tetras...I guess they might be, or maybe it's the ropefish, or the irridescent shark, or the crayfish? I buy my tetra as feeders, at 20 fish for $15. On top of that, I keep the tank fully stocked with ghost shrimp, as well as keeping a breeder tank full of guppies as a feeder supply as well. Those sharks are clearly not the only fish in my tank that feed on the smaller fish...my rope fish, crayfish, and the irridescent shark do as well, and I knew that when I bought them. So you see, I'm not totally ignorant...I just choose to keep more decorative fish as feeders, rather than the typical ugly, messy goldfish etc that others keep.

Cris
 
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